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We're going to show the context of everything hold on okay apparently I have to I have to open oh no oh I know and since then there's been a whole lot of in my opinion I'm going to take this off now
Yes I need to see your face nice to see you guys we went through a lot of trouble just for that gag I'll tell you what thank you AB for getting the hay this morning well done to Sam getting the
Gumby everybody was um let me know if you need a touch up the barn was a bustling this morning but I tell you what we get ear we get started early uh there was a whole lot I feel like I was being
Gas lit by a bunch of pedos like I'm losing my [ __ ] mind this is live goddamn weekend and I was just thinking about this show on Monday because I had a little bit of a loss of innocence and I
And I mean that it sounds silly but I'm being somewhat serious when I say that because I did not know there were so many people that were like CP adjacent Lolly lollipops I'm calling
Them now B the Lollipop Guild stroking as hard and fast as we can I I I barely touched on it we took a long time getting through it because I we all were having fun with it I mean it's
Just outrageous ridiculous but I feel like as we moved on we started to understand like oh this is this is actually really sick right when we saw when we got like a higher resolution when
We actually got to see what was in his folder this is sick and so since then there's been a ton of stuff I've seen man that is absolutely hair raising and I'll tell you this I didn't know there
Were so many people like that because not only is vosch as I'll continue to show today how do I put this he seems to have a vested interest in normalizing and people are going to say that I'm
I'm I'm going to explain that but I I I'm going to stand behind this he seems to have a vested interest in normalizing Amorous relationships between adults and children and I know that's an insane claim to make but I feel like when I'm done here there'll be no other conclusion to draw
MH that's what I and so hold on we're going to watch this probably instead of watching the other one because this one's way better but I'm going to pause it because this is live right now but
I did just look up the vosch photo somebody sent me the link and I will say a couple of them are very young looking and I will say the nuanced and caveat to some of this conversation is uh this is
Pretty part of the course of a lot of hentai but also a lot of people like porn that is about the energy of the porn they're consuming so it's not exactly like unrelatable or unlikely that they
Would engage in what looking at hentai that is drawn to depict an an energy of what they want but it's not it's not it's not without raising an eyebrow it definitely is like like the younger it's definitely Lolly it's definitely young and so it's like oh like there's that part of it I
Think the horse stuff is kind of like I hate to say it humans like beastiity and I don't know what's wrong with them but they really do and I don't get it but like okay whatever that part of
The population needs to figure their [ __ ] out um but okay like that's interesting thank you for sending me the photos they're pretty like normal hentti stuff but obviously I could imagine like a person who's never seen hentai just being like completely confused by it now the question is does
Having the handai mean you're into it literally or just the Dynamics like BDSM is roleplay right are you into the role play you're doing or do you just like the fun of the energy the role playay gives you and that's the question not only that which was disturbing and shocking but the amount
Of people that were coming to his defense both fans of ours and some public figures oh like ke and tister both came out against me cheers my horse love you no pedo yeah keil is a degenerate
I don't know when we're going to learn this about her like I don't trust anything that comes out of her mouth and uh tip tipster was lovely enough to provide us with the new rendition which we'll
Watch we have so much to watch I'm telling you Dan 2024 season tipser dude Dan was like should we talk about the Super Bowl I says dude I have so much oh they just started okay so they're not
Even talking about him yet I don't know do we want to wait around for I wonder million supposedly for for this is the original one let's do the original and then we'll react to the new one we're going
To show the context of everything so that we can make the best informed decision MH let's get more horses in chat before we start please everybody recently it was a few yesterday or the day before he ended his stream in a panic after he accidentally exposed his corn folder maybe do like
A one liner of who is vaj because um can see this is I mean yeah we don't normally talk about him yep I'm looking we got the button censored it's myself and by the way well in the actual picture
Is there even anything that is like Mega vulgar I think so there is okay okay yeah there's enough there that is so just for the record I've seen the photos now thank you Discord for supplying those
Uh they are indeed uh would be offensive to the regular uh peeps of the world in the hent world I would say they're kind of I want to say standard but also very kind of Lolly is which could be
Considered standard since I don't know why Japan is a thing for younger people youall need to get your [ __ ] figured out I will say look I've watched a lot of hentai in my life a lot and
When I watch anime I age people up in this same live stream Ethan goes on to say like Nami tits are too big everybody slow down she's over the age of 18 but also like I just Age characters
Up when I watch anything if they're still in high school I just pretend like it's a bunch of 30-year-olds in high school because like I'm 34 like when I watch anime everyone's mind age I
Don't care that Goku's 5050 in the series he's my age like I just make everybody my age that's what I do so I don't know I just kind of like um I just that's what I do when I watch stuff I don't know
If other people do that but I just assume like okay what if I was back in high school but I'm like my age I don't want to be 15 again I really don't want to be a kid again like I hated be I
Don't want to be a kid again so that's what I do so I kind of think that's what a lot of people do that's my theory but I'm not sure if that's true you know what I mean I don't know if that's true
Talk so here is a clip of the end of his stream the other YouTube chat is filtering all of the uh horse corn eggplant Emoji combo what it's like getting hidden Auto hidden in the chat I can see
What are they running defense for what's the deal here maybe it's just too spammy with Emojis so it's a secret language though where we're finding out if we if we could manually go through and show
All of these so here's what happened and again Vos fans if you want to defend him I'm going to be receptive of everything you're saying I'm not here with an agenda I'm just showing something funny that happened okay but I will say this what was on the agenda this is what socialism
Does to a [ __ ] no I'm we love the socials he's just a political commentator right so he's a he's a political commentator a socialist and uh he is pretty popular in that space I mean there's
Like probably three main oh my gosh yes MC bill says in Foria in Euphoria I always laugh because these quote kids look [ __ ] mid-30s bro even in American TV the reason I swear to God people don't know what teenagers look like anymore is cuz all the teenagers played on television are
Played by people in their 30s uh Gossip Girl all the shows I grew up in those are adults playing teenagers have you ever seen a real teenager they look like children I don't think any of us
Are consuming media and actually thinking about kids and I think the ones that are are but like I think all of us are just like I don't know what we're imagining but I'm just aging characters up
In my head I'm aging shows up to be my age like even if I watch shows I'm just thinking like okay what would I but I I don't know if that's normal or not I don't know um based off your comments
Some of you say that you do that as well um but it is one of those things where again like I I can understand why these pictures would be super super super uh confusing to people but again I
Just a bubbled hop so much I've seen so much corn in my life but also I love anime and I know like H tie is very controversial but I I wonder if everyone's having that same relationship with
Things like there there is definitely a suspicion to the kind of corn you consume and I definitely think a lot of corn is unethical based off of like how it was produced and all of those things so I
Think there's a lot of conversation to be had around these things oh political lefties which is like Hassan Bosch and Destiny see Vos Hassan and Destiny The Three Stooges who all think the smartest people in the space I love them all so much for all different reasons oh he's part of
That Trinity he's one of the main guys got it not like Mega popular because obviously it's a niche but but he's very popular in that space I mean his videos get hundreds of thousands of views sometimes a million here it is you can see this is an example of the kind of structure
That I'm referring to what now the sound this is my biggest fear because again I like even in my downloads folder right now there's like all of my pictures for o and I'm always afraid of leaking my
Own o like that would be very bad but also it's too many spoons to like organize everything I just try to be very careful about what I put on screen and I try to go very slowly when I move
But it's so weird cuz this happened to like Tom the other night or like vosch here I don't know what happens except like it just it's a tech issue it's a it's a you're not thinking issue
The question is is Vos allowed to have porn oh God I'm going to get demonetized corn on his computer is that the issue is it the issue what it was is the issue that it was on stream
Look it being leaked on stream I just think happens to streamers sometimes not a big deal but do we are we upset at the kind of hentai he watches are we upset um that it's beastiality are
We upset like what are we upset about cuz like I I will be honest with you especially in nerd Divergent girly circles a lot of us are reading corn about Devils about goblins about just just
Just creatures and so I don't think that's very abnormal like I'm going to be real with you some of your New York Times bestselling authors are writing books with basically corn about mythical creatures so I'm going to throw it out there that it's not that weird and I would argue it's not
That weird because y'all are paying for it the numbers don't lie the money doesn't lie humans love [ __ ] mythical animals I don't know what it is so I think we should have a conversation about it you know what I mean I think the only thing that was offensive is that the the characters
That Vos were looking at was really aged down the question is does he like it cuz they were aged down or does he like it because of the depiction of the energy the image displayed that's that's
The question now is that how the stream ended uh I'm not 100% sure lot when people were posting it on Twitter that's how they labeled it but um I think if I remember I think it cut to like a a
Holding card some sort of static holding card for a moment and then it ended shortly after that so one more time so this is how this is an example of the kind of structure that I'm referring
To that's a face of a man who knows on the right they secretly they want to they're Chasers I think they call them they want to be with trans women right on the left they want to [ __ ]
Horses bro I want to see Hassan's private folder now please like the stream guys cuz not only am I going to get demonetized but Ethan is going to get me demonetized please like the stream guys we need
To [ __ ] get to the botom this but we all have secrets don't we so he he panics and it couldn't be funnier frankly you can see this is an example of the kind of structure that I'm referring to get
To see his face it happens so quickly yeah it does it happens fast so here is an En he was so quick to turn off his stream too version of the it's the thing I'm I obviously can't put this on screen but
El I'll show it to you so I'll describe it to you guys so it's a folder oh is this the super high resan that you found love yeah I think so so it says old oh yeah there's a there's a higher res
One guys I just found this leak photo oh no dude H explain this [ __ ] now this is when he realized he was a socialist wow right here baby if this isn't the richest kid picture I've ever seen in
My life there's no such thing as a coincidence look at him on that horse still he looks comfortabley oh no this [ __ ] rode horses as a kid I mean we talked about it many times Pony ass Pony Express ass looking Pony Express you you just uh revealed that you're afraid of horses
Right Ethan I'm not afraid of horses I just think they're powerful they they should be respected not [ __ ] around with okay yeah I wait is Ethan talking on stream about Vos that there was nothing
Bad in that folder what and that is a convenient lie that's told by Vos okay this is the updated one his audience who are um frankly unwilling to look closer at it and they're just running to his
Defense I'll tell you what was in the what was in that folder that was a problem there was a there was a girl who looked 13 that was a problem there was a girl who looked very young who was sucking
Off a horse is that a problem I I don't like that some of these girls look pretty young okay it's all anime it's all drawn clarify again cuz it's all drawn yeah Tacoma wept but apparently Lai
Which is a genre of hentai that features really young girls m is apparently a topic of huge debate and there's a lot of people that support this which is absolutely mad oh wait till they find out
About lolon the reason for that which we talked through on Friday which love pointed out is that the consumption of this type of content normalizes and Comforts people who would otherwise not uh even think about such things or or people who are more likely to act on their impulses or to go
And buy actual CP to satisfy their also a lot of people who have had childhood trauma also sort of like relives kind of moments to feel safer in it and or people put themselves in those situations to feel vulnerable feeling so a lot of adults will role play being childlike because they want
To feel a very type specific type of vulnerability so there is actually a lot of like a lot of nuance to the conversation but in general I absolutely understand we want to protect children but lots of adults especially ones with like heavy amounts of trauma for lots of reasons not just like because
They were like maybe assaulted as children but because it's a vulnerability energy they mimic sort of like being childlike even adults do it now oh can you make that for me can you War up my soup
For me can you bring me a blanket all of those are like exhibiting childlike Behavior we're asking someone to take care of us even the action of asking someone to care for you is like reverting
In a lot of way back to adolescence and then some people take that further into a sexual Dynamic right sick desires and so and then there's just the freaks right what was in that that's basically
It you know it was those two things but part of the problem too for me guys is that this to be sorted folder he also leaked in 2017 I believe or 19 oh boy a couple years ago oh and someone
Asked him on stream I have all this but I'm just giving you Cliff Notes now they said what's in the folder he said 98% porn so I ask you this we saw the very tip of the iceberg of that folder
That folder's been in use for years what else is in that folder what are the chances what are the chances that just on the top there was like several deeply deeply disturbing images so what is
The chances that down below the years and years of saved images doesn't have worse I think the worst stuff is in the taxes folder now okay for the record on the last stream Ethan did about this he
Even mentioned how he doesn't like one piece cuz of the way Nami is drawn after the time Gap time Skip and I think like if you're watching anime and you're worried about people being depicted
Sexually I think that like just like it's I think it's so cool how Ela and Ethan are prudish in the same way they're so compatible that's just just I so compatible I could never imagine my husband and
I who also watch anime ever even thinking about it cuz we don't give a [ __ ] we just want the storyline we just know it's anime it's going to be sexual move on but they are so prudish about
It they have to stop watching anime that's like too sexualizing because it grosses them out and I think that's kind of beautiful because it means they're so compatible that they both think like the same things are gross forance my husband and I we just like don't care we're like who cares even
Though I am more of a of a pervert because like I am such a Master roshi like I will be like nami's boobs boobs boobs boobs Robin's boobs boobs bo bo bo boobs and my partner's like damn and
I was like I mean boobs boobs Bo I like boobs but yeah I get it like I absolutely get it but I think it's a good sign that Ethan and Ela are actually on the same page in this regard because
That means they're really compatible so keep that in mind I've heard that theory actually you have I did yeah I thought it was original I think the taxes is like a cover up for like the worst that's so again this is pure speculation but I did see someone saying like I don't know
How nobody pointed this out but like this is super common for people that consume this type of content to have it in a folder like taxes or something although that doesn't cuz like if if he
Is trying to hide it he wouldn't put it there yeah he wouldn't put Gooding not a great hiding spot unless there's subfolders in there so it has like the years of taxes and then you go within there and then like there's subfolder within subfolder and that's the really [ __ ] if anything it's just
A protocol to be like I need to be extra extra extra careful with this stuff have at some point in our lives been going [ __ ] I agree with that Miss fishy some of the fan service sexualization
Is really annoying in anime but like it's not the sexualization it's the fan and they do fan service a lot on one piece to be fair [ __ ] crazy on some hentai site no we we Haven well
Okay so hold on hold on hold on hold on so far that's fine going hentai is perfectly fine sure sure go on uh go on uh Vos some of these girls look pretty young okay okay so well there was a
We all Jered to L at some point or another yeah there there it is that that part I no we haven't that part I we have not we have not that's a singular experience I think I heard the term
For the first time on Friday I've never heard that term I dated a girl and she and I almost went to lollycon together true story cuz she was a little and I was a little partially but like
Yeah like some people just Express themselves weirdly I don't know what to tell you like I'm not a fan of it if it's going to hurt children obviously we don't want to hurt kids I just
Think a lot of adults have a lot of [ __ ] they have to work through and sometimes they work it through like animation and hentai but obviously we want to be aware that some people could be
Predators and those people we should be aware of right right I had no idea all new to me um dude yeah I don't know like I I didn't grow up amongst anime and all this kinds of stuff
Oh so I have no idea that this was a I didn't start watching watching anime until I was an adult oh we were like in Israel I think the first anime and so oh this is all kind of a
New world this here by the way is um Drake and vosch what are we trying to say with this uh cam created by Dan Schneider I don't know isn't it called loyon I could be wrong but it's the one
That happens on the East Coast I don't know she invited me I didn't going but I don't I don't I it's not an event I would go to she just wanted me to go with her but it's called
Right isn't it called Con in the east coast I could be wrong about the name but I swear that's what it was called but it was for lollies and it was a conference but it was in the east
Coast I just didn't go but she did invite me so I was open to going I mean it's an 18 plus event so you know what I mean this this is just a pun I had in my head all weekend so
Ladon hold on hold the phone now this is a weird this is a strange coming agail who that's a still from Drake's court appearance right yeah oh no you didn't have to do them like that that's great
You know it's the they rebooted I Carly and now they can reboot Drake and Josh now I want to make a few things clear Drake likes to hit on if you watch hentai allegedly if you watch furry
If you do all that that's I have no I'm not here to King Shame anybody but what I'm I am here to talk about is explicitly disturbing content that is not good in any uh facet of
The world to exist in right now Vos made a 2hour long uh response video to our Friday's episode with Incredible takes such as this is a Dan conspiracy that he's Ethan's only doing this because I'm anti-israel can we talk about the Dan conspiracy aspect of this a little bit we I have
A whole SE oh okay okay the I mean I don't even know how to there's so much bro there's so much all right well I should try to I should actually try make a focus to work through this let's just
Get right into it then so in his video he had these incredible takes but I want to tell you all Vos and his supporters will tell you the following things it's out of context all the
Clips of him it wasn't M we look at the context we looked at it and understood it they will oh I'm going to accuse H3 of not understanding it since they don't actually watch like you can't just watch like full Clips like if you're watching debate spheres the full context could
Be in a two-hour debate so I'm just want to say that out loud tell you that what was in the folder was not Lolly it was Lolly by vos's own admission which I will show you definitely LLY definitely LLY that it's all been debunked or explained a million times they'll say it has
Not it has does LLY mean a certain age group is that the problem because these girls were definitely like under high school I would say not you will hear the same tired reasoning for every
Clip other this is the this is the context that they continue to tell us is that is um cut out because it's the same justification every time he brings it up he says other Industries are bad like Cobalt mining or chocolate but we aren't morally consistent saying that uh he's not saying
He's Pro CP he's saying he's anti- capitalism or consumer capitalism he's and so this is the the point that we've grappled with in great detail already and explained why that's obscene and wrong right and yet they'll continue to tell us that it's been debunked or that it's old uh un
Uncovered this this defense by the way may have been believ up until we found that he is actually consuming LLY stuff yeah okay allegedly okay fishy says Loi is usually prepubescent well in that case like yeah I would think like I think the images I saw from vos's like leak were prep were
They prep pested maybe yeah I would say so right guys I don't want to look at them again but yeah I would say like that is suspicious to me like I don't know why you're attracted to that in a
Cons like a consist in way I think there could be more than more than being like attracted to children I think there could be more of a reason but I would say it's a huge red flag like I don't
Know I wouldn't feel comfortable dating a partner that was into it I've never dated a partner that was into it never dated a person who was really into Littles or really into like Lolly stuff I've
Dated people who are Lolly adjacent or Lolly light maybe but like only in the BDSM way but never like into loli so I think I'm kind of grateful for that because I do think it would be kind of a red flag
I don't know if I could do it if I'm going to be honest because it's I really don't like it so yeah I think I think that in that way I would think I'm more on Ethan's side because obviously
Like I'm gonna if I have a revulsion to it that I think that says like I don't like it you know what I mean I think there's something about that that maybe I should pay attention to that we should
Pay attention to from our you know what I mean I feel like the context of how how everything happened it's all changed it's yeah so he leaked this folder which was super silly to begin with
The hores is what it was funny at first and then the more you look at it it starts to get a little disturbing and then you realize all of his background and that's that's basically the
Rabbit hole we went down absolutely and you know he accuses me continually in his video of doing a bad faith character assassination attempt I have no reason to assassinate this man's character I thought the horse porn was funny and bro you need to at least make find God on that one because that
[ __ ] is objectively ridiculous and funny yeah priest Lisa's coupled with him saying that adult relationships could be good for the child I think if I'm being good faith about it he's probably referencing more C cultural marriages like my grandparents marriage or my auntie's marriages
Where it was not ideal but I think at the time you could say it was best for them but I think I would argue and I don't think they're the problem is is like we're talking about real people's lives so
In my own lived experience having like Middle Eastern family and relatives and my parents being immigrants like child child marriages to adults wasn't uncommon and I wouldn't the problem is like I think it'd be very hard for my family it's a very I've having this conversation
With my family triggers everybody everybody gets triggered because you're basically saying like the people that you love the most everyone all these happy marriages you saw your whole life they're the products of a child marriage and it's a very hard conversation to have because everybody they
At their in their old age they're grateful for their Partnerships they're grateful for their life they wouldn't have had it any other way so for them for us to say to them like this is disgusting we never should have done it in the first place is very hard for them because they
Their life turned out great so I think that's what Vos is saying maybe but I will say it's very difficult for me I try not to bring it up to the family cuz it really triggers people and
It's just like it really triggers the [ __ ] out of all of us when we have the conversations my parents were grown adults when they got together but like my grandparents weren't my aunties and uncles weren't and so there's like it's a very difficult conversation to have and I hate that
It's so difficult but I think that maybe is what Vos is referring to maybe but still I would want to break that generational curse I would want to live in a world where we no longer had to do that
But I also want to acknowledge that lots of people in a lot of cultures around the world they saw it as like a survival thing they survived together they overcame together and there's something there
That I would allow I don't know like I would be open to but it yes it's very upsetting like it's very frustrating you know what I mean it is a very frustrating subject to talk about having a to
Sword folder it's funny it's all good that's where we all started it started from this is just being really funny there was so much to say about it and and so as we reacted to it live it became more and
More apparent that this is more disturbing there's other disturbing parts of this so and again I'm telling you the other thing that Von fans will try to tell you that I'm trying to pretend like he's
Been hiding this that I'm acting like it's some big dark secret that he's hiding and so in his mind he's saying that because my people know that I'm a pervert therefore you shouldn't be outraged
By it now not everybody in the world you might be I didn't know you were a pervert on this level and so what does it matter if it was hidden or out in the you know I mean it's still fcking disturbing
And by the way that's not true because the Lolly [ __ ] was not out in the open a new Wrinkle in the fa of this story but also there there's different levels of knowing somebody on the internet I've seen his clips from time to time on a certain subject especially lately with so
Much going on in the world sometimes a clip of his will come up and we'll watch it that doesn't mean that I know anything about Vos or his history or his Discord chats with his fans you know that this
Is a whole different level of like knowing you and following you it's literal Iceberg it's just like exactly and and I don't know they you're into horses you know I didn't know that about him that was news yeah and by the way there's a lot of people being like you know what consuming
Horse porn is eth people make this argument that it's ethically okay you know what I'm not going to even argue with you guys right I'll let you can have your horse porn but I'm allowed to think that
It's [ __ ] weird and to judge you for watching that [ __ ] like I'm sorry yeah beastiality stuff is gross to me like I am not into it I don't like it like real animals like okay I understand like
Vampires and werewolves girl I get it but like real animals real porn like I grew up at the time in the internet where your friends would literally send you porn to prank you I have seen my fair
Share of sixc moments of porn I wish I could erase from my NE my head I wish I never saw those things but I think it's gross and I think humans that engage in it like there's something severely wrong
With them and I think I think there's something to be said about that like I do think there's again everything is trauma to me the fact that you think you're ugly when you're not trauma or like the fact that you know you're into beastiality trauma something about your biology something about your
Animal brain like it's just maybe go get checked you know maybe talk to a doctor I wish we had a space where people could talk about these things without being ostracized obviously but you know
What I mean like I I feel like why are you leave animals alone leave animals alone you know what I mean also fun fact do you know like petting the bottom of your cat like people always do is
Actually a part of like making them horny so stop doing it freaks I recently learned this I don't know how true it is but I was like that's why your cats get like over stimulated apparently I I don't
Know I just like I was like we're only petting the face like ma'am ma'am apparently like animals like animal okay I just leave animals alone leave them alone I'm judging you know that's it keemstar even said about us that we were more charitable with context than anyone he's ever seen on the internet
Now of course um it's worth mentioning that keemstar hates Vos uh and of course as he does with nearly everybody on the internet and kear you can get the [ __ ] out ofat literally suck a [ __ ] dick however and okay tips sir hold on our allegiances are all twisted has turned our world
Upside down man [ __ ] hell well Keem I guess had a situation where someone drew his daughter and so this is person like when you pet the bottom of a kitty like you go like this with their tail and
Everyone's always doing that apparently it's stimulation for them and I was like oh no oh no no no no more I did not know that so what Keem said and I didn't know this know that somebody an
Artist that I guess Vos is friends with Drew CP of keem's a daughter that's what that's what he said now keemstar is not a reliable reporter we would need a third party but that's what he said
And that Vos is I guess just like openly friends with this person who's a known lawly artist yeah I'm going to rewatch the video now because I saw it right before he went live but I wasn't sure if
He said Bosch's friend or tipster friend but oh true okay confir good so here's the yeah I'm not pretending that it's a big dark secret I didn't [ __ ] know about this and even if I was saying
It was a big dark secret what is it matter bro you know it doesn't change what it is so you can stop with that one the the other thing he keeps saying is that we were friends and that I backstabbed
Him or something which is entirely absurd I've literally talked to him twice and in the Twitter DMS twice briefly so this whole why won't Ethan talk to me I know they've seen my videos there's
No way I'm a pest they have got to have seen my videos thing that I should be running defense for him have being like having CP uh can I call it CP is that justified or is that you should probably
Make the distinction does have dra element makes it very different so can I should I call it draw drawn CP or just a LLY seems no Loi is so much no drawn CP is a different connotation than loli
It really is culturally speaking it does feel different to me and I think it's disingenuous to say drawn CP because when I think of johon CP I don't think of Loi when I think of Loi
I'm thinking of anime like it's not the same cuz I don't want to I don't want to put anything on him that's not correct not totally accurate you know I like it Castle Okay so to clarify there was an
Artist that Drew some L that supposedly Chris from Mr Beast scw shared that same artist drew keem's daughter oh it's got nothing to do with v or tips or anything so this it was I heard him say that
They were friends yeah no he kind of links it all okay whatever we're talking The keemstar Vortex I don't care about any of so listen apologies to everyone we mentioned in that we I don't know nothing about any of that [ __ ] that's a keemstar thing yeah other than that somebody drew his
Daughter um additionally you know you will hear these Arguments for two reasons from his fans and his Defenders the only two reasons that I can see one they've been misled by vosch and they don't
Grasp grasp the entirety of the depravity of what what he's into or and I'm sorry to say this two they also watch what he watches M like I'm sorry but if you're out here defending this [ __ ] you
Need to really check your [ __ ] self cuz you do not want to die on LLY hill we lost a lot of good men out on LLY Hill it was a blood beath that day we do not want to lose anymore guys yeah Shadow
B I agree John CP for me would imply you used an actual child model to draw it I agree versus like anime models like they don't depict the same way so I would say what vosch had was loli uh because
Again like loli doesn't look like people like they don't look like people guys anime just doesn't look like people that's why I love anime because they don't look like people they have Expressions that people don't have and they move their bodies in ways people don't have um I don't I like like
Anime art like look Sailor Moon doesn't look just doesn't look like a person like anime just doesn't look like people yeah I just think it's like realism versus anime you're right re exactly so again like loli to me means like not real people because like humans don't look like that I'm sorry
Like humans just don't look like that e like even I'm just Anime doesn't look like people they look like what they want people or think people could look like but they don't really look like people
Don't throw your life away don't die on LLY Hill there are other places to choose your battle Yeah Reports say that the average um private going out on Lolly Hill only survives for 22 minutes
I do think dying on this hill is really dumb and I do think people talk about it too much actually there was a controversy with a YouTuber online and they crossed into like this the conversation
About CP and stuff and I was like I don't want to engage I don't want to be associated with this and they reached out to me for a collab and I said no because honestly like I don't want talk
About CP leave kids alone protect children I don't want to fight on this hill I'm I'm happy to have these kinds of conversations but I think in general like I don't want to promote anything that would encourage people possibly harming a child so I don't even want to talk about it in
The in the way on the internet um you know what I mean so I don't really want to do it but I will say like that's those are decisions I make with my life you know I don't know why Vos decides to
Die on this hill I think that's kind of telling of him um um you know in a way but I don't want to also put that on him because that reputation's very like scandalous right in Vietnam it's not
Right and uh I hate to say but two people that we are somewhat friendly on the show tipster and ke have have uh sacrificed themselves to L Hill which we'll get into K is not a good person literally
Like okay she's a good person because everyone's a good person but like she's in my opinion a very untrustworthy person I would not trust her not lose faith my friends what you are hearing is merely the death rattle of a community on like support continual post on our subreddit from
From supposed fans and Defenders of aost of which again there are many which is what prompted me to even get get so passionate about all this and I don't know K so that's just my personal opinion
Okay what you are hearing is the death rattle of a community on life support there is no longer shade for Vos and his supporters to hide under no today the truth will be laid bare to bathe in the
Light of Truth and Justice let us flood this dark corner of the internet with a blinding light let the rats and cockroaches scurry and again not to say anything about rats and cockroaches in terms
Of like oh that I'm just saying that's they live in the sewer that's what they live in the sewer that's rat will hone I wrote that this morning I thought it sounded badass I say Amen it's a little
Too serious I was like let's [ __ ] just get super ridiculous at this General Klein I thought it would be a little funny but it didn't really strike any it didn't thought it'd be more like and
Today soldiers we will fight on LLY hill we will fight on the PRS of the coastline of LLY Coast everything's LLY we have fans procla bling on our subreddit they are canceling their membership ooh that's right this is a post of a post this is uncomfortable but I don't think we should
Reward Ethan's recent Behavior with memberships or subscriptions here's why I don't actually have a link to that one but I posted it in my stories but they're saying because I'm misrepresenting and lying and all this stuff they're they're leaving because I don't stand withdrawn CP shame
And so let's say this you know let's let's put a Twist on this e get the [ __ ] out let's get those members up you know what I mean let's [ __ ] let's get those members up today do you know what
I'm saying people um guys let's get my members up I just posted a video to celebrate my 6month wedding anniversary today's my 6month wedding I've been married 6 months congratulations to me it's been great it's been glorious it's the best decision I ever made he's the best human
I've ever met I just love him so much it's just such a great honor to have such an amazing woman in my life let me tell you so if you guys want to become a member today because I just put out
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Juice recipe which is delicious like cry and Ma because we say yes to adult pornography we say yes to consenting adult pornography we love it in fact get the [ __ ] out in moderation I think but ultimately do whatever you need to do so we say we subscribe we become members and opposition to
This horrible movement just donated 50 membership Charlie Charlie somebody got the Chocolate Factory hey actually there's been lots of thank you for the congratulations we're very happy it's been wonderful we're very excited to hit our oneye wedding anniversary um generous donations we
Should acknowledge I already need to go to the bom yeah yeah I want to say thank and I want to acknowledge all those people because I think when they watch it and they see that like dude I'm I'm
And I'll tell you this Vos and friends I am B I am making money right now and I hope that bothers you I'm going to make a ton of money right now bro oh my God and you know what I don't give a [ __ ]
I'm doing it I'm saying this now specifically cuz it's fun and because I know it BS you you know I he says that I did the first show for financial reasons because it got a ton of views and it was
Drama first I'll say this it had typical views was 40,000 here's the thing 40,000 viewers and I and I you know I'm kind of a big deal dude and I don't how to put this in a you know what I mean you know
Like I'm just saying you know 40,000 it's a lot it is a lot oh my gosh mantis welcome to memberships thank you so much girly I really appreciate it I really really appreciate it girly well but it's
Not that for us it's Friday Friday baby we have we have a great show you know wait today's Friday it was Friday oh dude [ __ ] so Vos and friends let it be known that not only am I coming at you
I am coming at you in a suit of cash damn and I am saying there's business there's industry and exposing this disgusting vertical of drawn CP we are coming and we are coming o Jud the dweeb says
Is Ethan doubling down because vosch fans called him out called out that his clothing brand brand uses a child labor interesting that was vos's original argument if you guys missed it where he was talking about like you're not like it was a stupid argument I could see his perspective but
I think ultimately the worst thing is like child CP CP is the worst okay oh my God aim just gifted five memberships let's go thank you so much Stephanie Al luil I forget how to say your name
Madx yellow let's go Joe let's go let's go thank you so much congrats guys enjoy the videos guys enjoy the videos watch them while you can you know again I understand vos's like argumentative desire
But I really do think Vos like I can't get into Vos like okay what's worse child labor or CP cuz I'm going to say CP I'm going to say it is better to be hit in the nose than graped okay I'm going
To say violence is better than seexual violence I think sexual violence is worse than just violence because it's two things instead of one so like violence okay not that child labor is okay but
We know the world has run on child labor which is [ __ ] in slavery okay we get it but I feel like CP is worse so Vos comparing like chocolate consumption to CP just feels very strange like
They're both bad but one is worse it's the CP CP is worse so protect kids no matter what from from sexual violence no matter what okay first and foremost I feel like that's worse this is literally me right now Kobe person money suit this is me BOS and friends this is me coming
To expose you hello grab a dollar why don't you what is that I hope you understand what I mean what is that and it's not the money itself it's the idea I don't get this is me and this is you
I don't get it me you money no money no money no money that's it that's me right now I literally plated and gold my friend like the stream guys like the stream um Kevin wait these are old ones
I got to go down just clarify real quick so yeah he was saying that tipster defended that artist oh Vos exactly why Vos no longer supports the argument so Vos resented the argument okay okay he resented okay that's good when he was canceled at a later point the artist that worked with Chris
From Mr Beast got it wait what is this say about Chris Mr Beast because that's that's a wild thing there yeah I don't want to yes well keemstar put out a video right before and it's uh we went live
And basically he said that Chris from Mr Beast shared a post from this artist the artist was canceled at a later time for doing some shady stuff and he said that tipster defended that artist okay so I'll say this I like Chris he's a or sorry she [ __ ] I'm sorry she's a great
Person um I've spoken with her and I really like her I've met her a few times so I don't know I I'm not I don't know what happened there I haven't looked into it but it sounds like based on what
You said that it was the this expose happened after that's my understanding yes so so I'm not saying anything about that that's a keemstar thing and uh I don't know nothing about nobody when it comes to that okay uh thank you Franchesco dala Vala for 50 gifted members thank you Betty swall
Sack 50 dude you got a fat sack Betty hello H I finally signed up uh the [ __ ] up for members a couple episodes ago someone mentioned bira I highly recommend you try it I don't know what
The [ __ ] that is Taco oh yeah I brought that I didn't know what it was what the taco it's like you dip the taco in the sa it's like a taco yeah I know that it's a little Messy B Simmons go off
Queen Ethan Queen Ela and the prince the Royal Court thank you Bella Simmons Bella Simmons again dude you're rich like what's your story she's one of our great benefactors ratches and cockroaches are better than Vella says they contribute to their environment are an important part of their
Ecosyst re says is it just like does he really take back the argument or is he Saving Face well he doesn't have the problem like okay the question is is the consumption of Loi unethical and I think
That's a much harder question to actually answer um and that's the question I think that all of Japan is asking itself and it does make me wonder like is the consumption of Loi unethical you know
I think that's a much harder question to answer and I could see why that would be an argument we could have you know what I mean I I will say like it's question able and I think it's probably
Impacting parts of society for worse but then I'm open to idea of doing studies about reducing the harm of child sexual assault um over time if I don't know that's the problem is we don't know we
Want to protect kids whatever protects children the most I think is kind of the goal so then we have to figure out what that path is systems okay Bella that is so true we love the co we love the
Rats in the Cockroaches Edward thank you so much for the gifted uh Alex Franco thank you thank you so much remember I was on Reddit once said Lolly bad PA for clap thought it was an easy win easy Le
I was so wrong I learned never to argue with anime Community about lollies it is the minority opinion Accord yeah llies in the anime Community I don't know how popular it is in the States but I nobody
That I I can't think of anybody that I know that like actively consumes Loi so I don't know it's probably not my bubble but I can't think of anyone in my life who like actively likes it but I think
There are people people in my life that I could argue are like very comfortable around different kinds of Art and like as long as it's not real like children obviously so I'm wondering like who are these people that are defending it so hard I wonder like yeah I don't know if I could
Pro I probably wouldn't just be connected to those people right according to Alex Franco now I don't know if that's true or not but what I'll say is that there's a ton of people that I didn't know
[ __ ] existed thank you Chrissy Sherlock for the gift D we love you at some point or another I'm G have to check back in but thank you Solaris for the GI thank you peanut butter and FICA sandwich
Thank you guys thank you I gotta go I gotta move on now thank you everybody but thank you for your support and I will be showing up in a money souit to court stroking as hard and fast as we can all
Right settle down we'll get to that so here we go these are all the stories um and tweets from the weekend so Friday I ended the show we all thought it was a good time and then I started
Seeing people on our subreddit and then people like actual creators defending Vos and I start losing my [ __ ] mind and I've been on my stories quite a bit this weekend just like you know I'm I'm I'm just in disbel so here's tipster big tip friend of the show was even featured in our
Live uh uh cheers my dude love you no no homo now updated to updated to updated sure it's my horse love you no pedo how' we get that find out tister said genuinely disappointed seeing what h3h Productions did to Vos earlier tonight you think after everything Hassan's Community as well as
Others in the past have done to misrepresent Ethan he wouldn't be so quick to do the same to others yet here we are here's the difference tipster and other are ech this I don't justify first of all I
First of all okay you know what I don't I'm not I don't justify the [ __ ] that I did I'm happy I'm not happy but like I engage with the stuff that I've done in the past openly and honestly and as
Frequently as I need to because I'm aware that stuff I've said and done are extremely offensive and mean and these are things that I'm reckoned with Reckoning with and I've served to help me
Mature as a person so day this this this concept and again I see this echoing we he he helped you therefore you need to cover for him enjoying drawn CP like I'm sorry in what [ __ ] world
Is that make any sense you know also he didn't he didn't defend me because he likes me he probably did it because he thought I was right yet here we are he even used the same out of context Clips art
Writers have been used to defame Vash this time and time again I see this and I say bro did he he must not have watched it Ethan and Ela do not know what context is like genuinely I watched
The original stream there's no way they had full context for all the clips they think full context is like 2 minutes before 2 minutes after but when you're in the debate Community you and I know that full context could be 12 hours of content full context could be three different
Debates full context could be three months of a conversation because that's how our communities rle not that I consider myself totally part of the debate Community but I obviously like watch debate communities I just think it's obvious like to understand the full context of a situation you
You can't just watch a few hours you you it really is like a rabbit hole so when you make decisions like it is I know I understand cuz it's very hard to imagine that's true cuz most people don't get that luxury but the debate Community we chronically online and we're very interested in
The full context like so we are going to be the people who are going to like spend time watching hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and I don't think other communities are doing that necessarily right and just is going to the go-to
Out of context because we made a huge emphasis on putting everything in context and watching it in the full entirety of the clip and so the fact that out here saying we took stuff out of context it's just like a self-report that he's just on autopilot here I mean obviously what
He did is still bad like how many times have all these people had to already do this this is this is routine for them and they say the same thing every time and I want to I want to cut through
All that [ __ ] it's just not here the go-to arguments that I mentioned you're going to hear it everywhere you go it's out of context it wasn't Lolly it's been debunked all wrong by the way he
Said uh oh another thing I'll see he goes he uses the same out of context Clips out writers use so if if Nazis are alt riters like popsicles am I not supposed to enjoy ice cream anymore like just
Because they said doesn't mean it's wrong dude like it might surprise you to know but but there are alt riters that also don't like pedophiles and like I feel there's a pretty big V diagram there's something that like them not defending all say the people criticizing V from the altright are
Probably okay I'm re looking at vos's leak photos allegedly and I'm telling you right now this is Loi like one of them at least is Loi I'm going to say one of them is Loi the rest are not okay I'm
Going to say one picture looks like loli the rest don't look like loli uh and I'm going to stand by that one of them at least from the video from the thing I whatever I'm looking at here whatever
This is that I was sent thank you guys so much one picture two picture three four five six out of six of the photos that I'm looking at one of them is definitely loli the rest are not LLY I'm gonna I'm
Going to say that's my professional hentai opinion Fedora okay criticizing him for being a hypocrite not for because they all like that [ __ ] too yeah all of them I mean no I guess not no well let me
Say this there's got to be a big di V diagram of all different groups of people criminals um Nazis Libs you know and every other social group you can think of and there's a big fat juicy Circle in the
Middle that says hates pedophiles so I'm sorry that all writers have also said this about him but they were probably right you know no we all [ __ ] like McDonald's bro OJ OJ Simpson eat at McDonald do mean I'm going to skip getting some goddamn a qu pound with cheese it's not happening
You know what I mean I do man I'm with you bro whatever this was intended to be there's one thing for sure he continues this was not the move and it was an extremely bad faith misrepresentation
Of as another thing they say bad faith I don't think they know what that means I don't either Ethan doesn't know what it means so anyway tipster we tip the um Ethan's so bad F bro cheers my horse
Love you no pedo where's the give me the horse thing I have um this if you'd like tipster bad tipster bad tipster you hear that like it's so satisfying bad tipster get in line kind of do it
Closer to the m like don't hit the mic but maybe a little closer I hit the mic prob is that good you got to hear in the air got just the air not I should get my whips out should I get my whips
Out I have a crack whip bad bad so that's big tip who's now little tip that really [ __ ] sucks I know what the [ __ ] was he thinking man [ __ ] you that breaks my heart too like what are you
Doing again he's dying on Wally Hill that's the one Hill you can't die on brother that's the wrong Hill brother can't love fall love with the sound bites I mean with the origins you just got to just
Enjoy the sound bites I am grateful though we we we're about to enter a new phase a new generation of tipster sound drops because we've enjoyed the cheers my dud love you no homo for close to a year
Or more but at this point we can say it's become P but now thanks to him we've breathed new life like a phoenix like a lolly loving Phoenix go ahead cheers my course love you no pedo it is a
It is a gift so I love it I started responding to him in my stories may I also add that when people bring up your old clips you know in an attempt to cancel you or whatever you're not like you'll
You'll address it and you also say like yeah that was wrong I shouldn't have said that I shouldn't have done that I grew I don't do that anymore like that's not what I'm seeing every time it's another
Effort to defend justify explain and double down this man has had a billion opportunities to step back from this and I'm telling you the stuff I'm going to show you today will leave no doubt big tip continued I was posting these just random comments like I opened my um YouTube uh studio
App and on the app homepage it shows you recent comments so these were this was two of my most recent comments out of three and I was like what the [ __ ] the first one later H3 it was a fun few
Years not like Ethan has a mountain of apologies for offensive statements not about [ __ ] drawn CP man let's let's keep things in context here but again I there's a difference okay I'm not trying to justify but this man said nope Ethan's come out against Loi I'm out everything has been great up
Until now he's crossed the line uh this is another one I said found the LLY with the camera Emoji uh this one has the tops cut off I have all these coming up later but anyway I'll read it later
But he says do you think he's handling the push back well uh yes yeah I thought I would actually I thought I was handling it really well I was you know what I mean yes tipster thank you are
You arm are you ready to fight on LLY Hill do you have your armor do you have your training are you in shape do you have your Hello Kitty MP M4 or whatever ar14 I don't know not there's anything
Wrong with that there's a reason why my viewership is [ __ ] it might well it may or may not be related I said AR wait what does c Sam mean what's C s am I really wish they would say C Sam what's
That what does that mean does that mean like child something or CP like what does that mean c Sam I don't know what that means in response to this I said our clear position is that they don't
Belong in the same category I am right and you are wrong good day sir at least I've seen what AAG looks like listen I've never been on this side of an argument where I'm so clearly right and it's
Not even debatable like it's it's actually quite amazing to me to be in this position to just come out here with no humility in a money suit and say I'm [ __ ] right and you are wrong wrong brother
Any I mean I'd rather live in a world where people are like vary about protecting children than not protecting children but obviously I'm into the Nuance conversation as well um child sexual assault material oh okay okay oh corn implies consent that's interesting well this is drawn
So I feel like there's no consent needed right that's the thing is like hentai or Loi it's like there's no consent needed it's drawn it's not real people nobody's you know what I mean there's no
Direct harm to a a child versus like CP involves a direct child being harmed that's why I think you should call it Loi and not CP cuz if you call it CP that insinuates a real child's being harmed and
The creation of the CP but like Loi isn't there's no child involved in Loi it's fake and so I think that's why the distinction is so important because I could see that Loi is less harmful just by its
Nature not involving a real child right versus CP that's been circulated is harmful because it like creates the Demand versus which you would need new children for versus if you have Loi and the demand is more lawly there's still no children being pushed in that Demand right further conversation
About it only impunes you further you are wrong so thank you so that's big tip out here uh we still have the sound like though right yeah yeah cheers my horse love you noo oh yeah so this this is what
I put on my stories he wrote this which I already read and I commented cheers my horse love you noo and of course and I don't want to take credit that was Cam's um he wrote that in chat and I thought
It was great glad it I'm glad it has a life beyond the chat now so well done Cam and uh I mean wow so cheers my horse love you noo a new one thank you tip for doing that when I heard that I was like no
Way he did he just no way [ __ ] clean dude so CLE dude say what you will about tip but he is a broadcast expert he sounds so clean man I love it perfect beautiful voice go ahead Zach cheers
My horse love you no pedo stunning gorgeous it is stunning tipster continues we can all agree it was not a great an to an arum child labor evenes it analogy to but it was just an analogy and
Not anual argument in this is acronym I learned apparently it's oh c they just brought it up C Sam it's like you know CP content it's an acronym for something I don't know stand for child sexual assault material Abus material okay yeah that's an acronym that I've been lucky not to know up
Until this point in my life yeah but again my innocence is broken uh it's one he continues it's one the far right has repeatedly used out of context who falsely accus Vos of being a p word
And now H3 production is using the same rhetoric against him I'm will happily dab up with the Nazis on this in the mem to say this [ __ ] is gross we're gonna dab up Dan um again they don't think
It's gross they just think he's a hypocrite so we're not dabbing up I wouldn't dab up any Nazis the Nazis all the time the conclusion is the same that he's wrong so we could dab up he's wrong but
Then he's like you think he's a hypocrite too I'll be like oh no no no undb undb undb can I undb a dab that's a philosophical question for V to tackle he's a deep thinker my problem um if I
May talk to a big tip for a second is that like the analogy was terrible and we were all talking about it and okay maybe Vos also said that at some point but there's just like an amounting end hundreds endless times that he talks about it I was getting overwhelmed putting this episode
Together I there was so much and then there's the to sort folder the gorgeous folder and so it's everything together is painting a really weird picture of a really weird guy that's why we're talking about it that is why we're talking about it and also some of the clips when he explains the
Context is also [ __ ] weird watch those clips they don't it doesn't help it the context does not help so like you guys think we like didn't understand no we understood clearly and we have a problem with what we're seeing yes I know it's hard to believe I know that Nazis said this about
Him so that that you know we don't like Nazis and I get it is from the left we should be friends no I don't [ __ ] care about any of that I don't want leftists who are into cartoon CP I want them to
Stay with the Nazis where they belong we do not want them the left we scoot you over no pedo no pedos please um very disappointing tip continues considering well he's done recently at making good faith arguments I expected better from Ethan oh I was doing so good shut the [ __ ] up dumbass oh
He was doing I wish I knew the internal workings of Vos because I don't watch him enough I can't stand him but like I don't know I don't know if he's well-intentioned I don't know if it's a red
Flag he could just have like really weird power Dynamic fantasies he could be he could there's so many reasons to consume Loi but I also do think it's a red flag but I don't think you should be
Necessarily written off for your red flags because like maybe it's not maybe a red flag for you is in a red flag for somebody else or maybe it should be again I'm looking for the Nuance as always but
I understand cuz like I like I said I couldn't date somebody that was really into lli I would feel really weird about that but also I don't know cuz there's no I don't know like I'm open to the
Nuance of it but I also understand what it's like to be somebody who's like discounted for being a sex worker like oh huge red flag she's on only fans it's like that sucks but also okay that's
Fair because like for some people that could be a red flag but it's does like that's why I don't think red flags are Universal so it's like okay but I do think like Ethan and Ela sometimes are
So bad faith and do take people out of context that I'm concerned they're doing it again but all but also Vos also was accused by cat black who I do like and respect a lot for being like
Um very cringe sexually so I don't know cuz I do trust cat even though like we don't always agree we agree like most of most of the time I think cat's observations are really good so I kind of
Trust cat in judging vosch as being like a white savior who kind of maybe quote maybe I don't know I can't remember exactly what she said but I think she said he might have even like white savior fetishized black girls maybe so I don't know I could be wrong I could be misremembering
Because that was so long ago but do you remember she like leaked the sexting stuff because her and Vos had like a thing um and she was like cringed out by him but she you know cats talked about her
Thing with white guys so I get it um but like I don't know maybe there's something there I think vosch is probably just really nerd Divergent and cringe and probably on the more sexual deviant side and I think he probably is socially awkward and runs into a lot of like really dumb situations
And I probably think less of him for it but also I think less of most white men who are leftists because all of them are secretly just like cumers waiting to come yep I think they're all just
Trying to get laid and they're all debate Bros that are socially awkward in any other situation would be just like losers but because they're in the debate sphere people are like I TI my door
To you're so cool and I want to get laid and I want to [ __ ] you so it's like yeah I get it like okay cuz they're like the [ __ ] boys of the scene Hanan Destiny and Vos all the the The Three
Stooges I love them all but like they're only hot in this sphere you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying which I love like I get it same but like also and don't I love me a gamer boy so
I'm not even discriminating I'm just saying so I think I don't know it just kind of makes sense like a very specific type of person would be in this space you know what I mean um they dated I
Don't think cat and Vos dated I think they had like a thing for a minute from my understanding you know a thing so good until he said something I personally disagree with it Hass is hot butan also goes through fat boy stages which you know isn't as like radically accepted Buck buckle up
Buttercup is that the thing buckle buckle up buttercup buckle up buttercup is that what the thing right never heard that di [ __ ] you just made it made up what I've heard that before gidy up lollipop gidy up let's see you know like maybe tipster maybe tipster you're wrong Buttercup
Okay I think kassan is universally hot but I'm realizing that it's not true because when I ask people they don't think he's hot I think he's hot but I'm into Middle Eastern men I'm Middle Eastern
I think Hassan is hot but when I bring him up a lot of people don't think he's hot I'm like Oh weird okay must be a me thing right up that's it buckle up buttercup because I'm a ye I'm a real
Cowboy hey get in L get in line now come on let me see that big old [ __ ] there's a buckle up buttercup TV Ethan let me see the big old [ __ ] buckle up buttercup tip [ __ ] yeah tipster maybe
You can consider that I've been doing so well recently making good faith arguments perhaps that um oh real Smith says Hassan is especially hot to gay men I mean honestly I could see it he's very good-looking I'm very into Hassan's aesthetic don't get me wrong he's very attractive maybe
It's continued maybe the pattern is unbroken he responding to someone who said you're actually Beyond stupid why is CP bad because it harms all children why do we excuse they go on but similar to what we've already said tips are now continuous he's mad I gave the most light-hearted
Criticism and his response was to inate his to his audience that I'm a pedo first of all there was nothing light-hearted about [ __ ] defending this Insanity okay there's nothing light-hearted about saying I'm lying and doing bad faith out of clip out of context character assassination so I
Don't know what what world you're living in but in my world this is it man I'd be singing pooping and sething in the shower too if I couldn't find my tip either uh I found my tip just fine when I was
Giving it to your [ __ ] mom oh dude don't take it so don't get so defensive bro dip [ __ ] this is important that we stay open-minded and just talk about this stuff literally suck a [ __ ] dip all
Right chill bro chill dip [ __ ] all right all right all right uh but anyway I don't remember insinuating that he's a head well okay this is something that comes up a lot and I think it's
Worth discussing if saying I was like why okay if I go dude why are you defending animated CP that's weird is that it's not it's Lolly it's very specific it's very different than animated CP that sounds like realism stuff which is really weird you know what I mean insinuating that he's a
Pedal I think that's what they're talking about yeah because you are saying like one people are either defending Vos because they've been buying this defense crap for so long they've been groomed to answer this or number two is that they also enjoy this content so if I'm insinuating anything
Then I think it's probably both I think a lot of the audience does enjoy Loli and I think they also feel like cuz if you don't understand the nuances of a certain bubble it's always going to look bad
To you it literally is why conservatives won't understand sex work like I'm not exaggerating to you you remember when Ela was being told like she's too immodest by the conservatives and Ethan's like what the [ __ ] but like their line is different than someone else's line so loli is
Like not only cultural that's not a justification a lot of cultures have really shitty cultures okay but it is specifically different but I think there's something to be said about the conversation at hand I'm just asking if everyone's line is different you know and I think that's the
Conversation so again I don't like Lai I get if you don't like Lai but I do think like that's why vos's Community is confused because to them it's very different it's like saying cartoons in
America are the same as anime in Japan even though anime means cartoons it's not the same when we say anime we mean Japanese animated cartoons when we say cartoons we mean American animated cartoons and I think not knowing the difference is like not understanding the context so like if you were like
If anime means cartoons and in America I just said oh I watch cartoons they're going to think Dexter's Laboratory they're not necessarily going to think anime you know so I think again it's like that it's like those are two different things so it's just like what image is coming into your
Head when you say the words and is it accurate to what's being talked about that's the question it's based on the evidence at hand and based on a good faith analysis of the facts as I see them am I
Insinuating that you're a pedo I don't see myself as doing that directly am I saying it's odd that you would choose to stick your neck out on Lolly Hill for this [ __ ] it is odd yes it's very odd
Is it FBI raiding your house and checking your hard drive odd that's up to them I'm not a part of the FBI FBI open up does stst have a folder I'm curious well I don't know but I mean he seems
Pretty sympathetic to the concept uh dip [ __ ] folder of he keeps going Ethan kin everyone who disagrees with me is a pedophile everyone else no okay no tipster that's not what I said although
Maybe I did kind of say that in a sense no I I carved out more space I said either you've been misled or you enjoy what he enjoys and then you I mean everyone else who falls into Category 2 they
Should be nervous they should be nervous cuz we out here and I got I sent a to get bails of hay this morning you think I'm [ __ ] around yeah we're not we're taking this very serious yeah
I love me some horses Bo tell you what man love me some big old [ __ ] juicy horse [ __ ] slap it on the desk La sorry I get in the character sometimes I just imagine what vosch thinks on the f um I was
Started this was unrelated because I was talking a Friday about how I found hot Jesus and so they were back on my feet because I was so frustrated I couldn't find it so I started posting them do
You guys what do you guys think about hot Jesus by the way he's like stunning is he gorgeous he's like gorgeous glowing his hair everything just stunning what are the Jesus pictures have to do with what he they're not related they're not related I just a treat he he included it to say
Something or I did okay there was one I included here that said like Jesus when he sees that I'm not into CP or something when I'm not defending CP so come on right now come now the he says okay we
Are bad faith at this point now he's just outright lying about V's position okay man I don't know what to say nice you know that one is just being funny it's kind of like is the argument and again we're adding the Nuance to the conversation because like obviously they're not going to
Do it is the fear we have is like when we say um all people who marry child brides are PDF files that's like not actually accurate right and so the Dilemma we're having is that that Nuance allows for actually protecting children in the long run by understanding why things happen in the first
Place if parents are selling their daughters off to older men because they need money to feed their kids like we need to have conversations about why that's even happening in the first place and then why are these older men picking these brides and is it because there's PDF files or for other some
Other reason and then how do we protect kids in the long run by dispelling the reasons for the symptoms because these are all symptoms right so why are we why is the symptom happening and is it
Like something we need to stop obviously we want to protect kids so I think again the nuance is really difficult because people aren't ready to have it because again people aren't even willing to look at the studies like I said people are doing studies around the world and lots of men
Are starting to admit that given the opportunity they would be with younger people which I hate to evoke his name I hate to do this but this was the argument that Mr girl was making that all
Of us thought he was crazy for but I think is he like is he right that a lot of men are unwilling to say that they do find the average age of Attraction like 12 and 14 like I think that
Was his age group correct me if I'm wrong but I remember him saying that being like no that's [ __ ] gross but given the studies that are coming out by government organizations it's not it's one in 20 in Australia but I mean so it's not the majority right but it's like a lot and
So you're like oh oh what's going on like what's going on and so a part of me wonders are we ready to have that conversation because we it's really difficult to like look at all the men we know in
Our lives and go like are you one of them bro and then if we don't create a space for them to talk to us are they going to run down a a path of like accidentally or not accidentally I shouldn't
Say accidentally that was a horrible word but like run down a path of like abusing a child because they weren't given the help they needed because Society didn't give it to them like I'm just trying to think like what what is what how do we actually protect kids if we're not willing to
Have the conversations and I think that's what I'm worried about but then again you know that's also partially why I'm not having a child cuz the world doesn't deserve my child you know what I'm saying
Like no ma'am no ma'am so again we need to like have a conversation how to protect children and that usually means we're going to have to like have really hard conversations and Ethan though he wants to protect kids is also avoiding like a very hard conversation as well by just FOC focusing
On vosch and not being very particular but you know it is what it is you know what I mean here oh here's what I said I found hot Jesus God he's stunning isn't he oh my this is your goon folder
Huh absolutely yeah we are not the same you jerk off the animated CP i j off the hot Jesus we are not the same at least he's of age you know that man is well well within age that man's like in his
30s I would say early 30s late I say late 30s but but looks good for his age late 30s he was in he was 33 when he died oh they know his age I that's why I said so this must been right this must have
Been right there I'm saying this is before tredy God he hot God he's hot as [ __ ] though that's so sad D I'm so sad that Jesus had to die it's his choice he didn't he didn't have to he chose
To do that he's got makes it powerful whatever I need to get on that but here oh my gosh wait okay Kaylin says more stuff about gross adults I got a little weird attention from Marines when
I was 12 to 13 I follow I don't follow but I I'm on Tik Tok and there's this girl in the military who's always talking about like all everyone is cheating everyone knows the cheating statistics
Of the military but you guys keep getting married in the military why do you think humans do that why do you think that is cuz humans like to think they're the exception humans will do destructive Behavior because they think they're the exception why do we think we can be the exception in these
Moments why is that and I wonder this all the time and I think there's something to that that is very interesting you know what I mean I think there's something to that that's very interesting why do we think were the exceptions so when you're consuming maybe LLY maybe you think you're
The exception because of some reason but are you the exception or something actually like do you maybe need to ask yourself I Kyla arite and I had this conversation about Litt and I grew out of my little stage eventually after therapy but like not everyone does and she said I think that's
Like a sign that being a little in BDSM uh could indicate like you wouldn't do it if you weren't traumatized and I think that's possibly very true since a lot of what we act out including Kinks can
Come from trauma but I think some Kinks can also come from very positive places and so we need to have conversations with oursel like hey why am I into this and is it okay to be out of it also
Aesthetic is just really nice and women especially Nur virgin women and some boys let's say women in this situation we tend to like stuffies and like kids stuff and we stay very young and we like anime and I think there's something very young about these things if you watch anime you're kind
Of a kid I think if you consume like cartoons there's something very childlike about you in a good way like I don't think it's an insult but I think we need to have conversations about how many
Of us are actually ready to let go of childhood and how many of us never planned to and then how does that end up getting depicted in our life or how does that end up getting expressed in our life
Because maybe it's a red flag or maybe it's not and I think there's something about it Jesus I just I love it and then I say Jesus when he finds out I don't put Cobalt in the same category as CP
He he's happy about it yeah bad faith I don't get it yeah I think they're really right about that those two things are not like it the same it's actually kind of accurate it's glowing yeah it's
Just also funny funny I mean it's it's like is it perfectly accurate I mean no but words aren't precise I mean what really is accurate at the end of the day you have theories of math of
You know converging lines that never touch what is accurate okay is it funny and close enough yes yes sir I continue I saw this Meme and this was [ __ ] phenomenal like I heard heard this conversation in
My head I've got enough to worry about with the feds at my ass and now I got to hear from George that you got some [ __ ] Japanese Kitty por saved on your [ __ ] computer tone it was just a dry
Shut up tone she's actually 900 years old in the story Discord says I'm not sure if it's wrong to be attracted to 15-year-olds but what you do with your attraction is what matters okay this is hard
For me because a real kid in high school like an actual real teenager I do think it's like a severe red flag um but I I wonder if it's cultural I wonder if that's learned I wonder if that's true if your biological creatures evolved over time cuz even the idea of protecting children
Is like evolved like we've adapted to think this way right so I do kind of wonder if that's true I think it's a huge red flag like I could never be with somebody that found teenagers attractive
There's no [ __ ] way if I found out my spouse and in any capacity was willing to flirt with a high schooler divorce like ABS [ __ ] lutely not do I think they'd be a PDF file no that's not even like
The that's not even the right no but I do think like being attracted to kids that are so far like I honestly if I'm being real with you I would see it as a red flag if my partner was attracted to an
18-year-old and we're in our 30s so like I I don't know how you guys feel about that but I think even if he was attracted if I was attracted to like an 18-year-old I would be like red flag even maybe a
19-year-old maybe even a 20-year-old if I'm being honest with you and that's has nothing to do with being a PDF file right it has everything to do with being attracted to somebody who's so [ __ ] dumb like why are you attracted to somebody who's so [ __ ] dumb you know and that's the red
Flag but it's very normalized for people to date 20-year olds when they're 30 but why do you think I find it disgusting like I'm disgusted like I'm literally disgusted when somebody is like and I don't mean attracted like oh they're attractive I mean willing to pursue willing to pursue so I
Want to specify that right like why do you think that's so disgusting to somebody like me but not to somebody else and why they're 20 like they're an adult but like I would be like why are you
Attracted to a 20-year-old what the [ __ ] do they have in common with us you know like what do they have in common with us isn't he 24 who Vos Vos is in 24 Vos is old oh who Ethan Ethan's
38 Discord says any age to be honest I wouldn't date somebody like that yeah yeah okay so I wonder if the issue is like not that you're attracted or maybe could in attractive but maybe it's the
Idea of like what you do I don't know I don't know I still like I don't understand like how you could be attracted to somebody so young and dumb like there's so dumb I don't understand
What you're doing my partner is not 24 years old bro that's hella young I have a I like a 5-year role no we're both in our 30s no like I could not date 24 I love that I don't I don't think
I could dat anybody who's 24 that's 10 years younger than me I do not think I could date anybody who's 24 there's just no way like Vos is 29 according to Google no way no Vos is I think
Either Stephen's age who who who who how old is Vos there's no way Vos is only 29 I mean he could be Steven's 35 Hassan is 30 2 or 3 how old is his son he's a little according to Google damn 29 born
1994 oh okay well he's old then he's old enough but he's yeah I think that's well he's okay I wonder I wonder Discord says I think it's disorted with when they are attracted to prepubescent and younger but being attracted can be purely physical okay I agree with that I don't think it's necessar
Necessarily wrong for people to find people attractive at like 18 19 20 20 or even like I don't know finding a teenager attractive is hard for my brain but maybe but it's like acting on it
Is what throws me off you know what I mean but okay vos's okay yeah he's still in the same age group is like the I'm surprised I thought he was about my age but okay um yeah um I don't know shut
Up how good is that that is good that's good that is good um Here Comes This when uh Keel enters the fry she see she got the uh smoke grenade on L Hill and is answering the call oh no but little
Does she know it's a death trap LLY Hill is a death trap my friends there's no Victory to be had only death and defeat you will not win on LLY Hill C what did you have to say it shouldn't be
Acceptable for people who are supposedly leftist or Progressive to ped jacket trans people first of all first of all I didn't say anything about trans people and the fact that you even brought that up in this conversation is really [ __ ] like what it's because trans people like a
Lot of the furry porn and a lot of the they are accused of being hentai LLY adjacent there is a subcategory of trans people who are also furries who also like Loi so there is a bubble like that
Why are you I feel like she's running using her trans identity to run defense for a very valid criticism I didn't but I think that's also a red flag say [ __ ] about trans people and I would
Never that that's a position that's a position that I loathe how did trans people even got into the mix from this was never never mentioned it it's AB it was never discussed at all you want
To talk about bad faith arguments I mean give me a [ __ ] give me you know what I mean give me a break it shouldn't be acceptable for people who are and what is this [ __ ] pedo jacketing these people have the funniest silliest dumbest it should be accepted for people who are supposedly
Leftist or Progressive to ped Jack trans people we are ready the taret Target by the riot incredibly disappointing to see from people who should know better what what this for serious ass [ __ ] another word I've never heard what's the jacket ped jacket uh we are already the target of
That by the right incredibly disappointing to see from people who should know better and again it's this whole thing like yo we're leftist so can you please not talk about my infatuation with cartoon CP no no [ __ ] Jack LLY hill we got satellite imagery man I don't care if you're
Left right center goon what is this argument this is so weird I'm so confused somebody like priest says V said Ethan was targeting the trans people in his audience which was deaf disingenuous yeah what does this take like I'm so confused now I'm confused what does this have to do with anything
What did I miss did I like look away for a second and get confused or or I don't know big tip who who before this was a holy character he was truly uh what's big tips background like
What's his group you nameing all the groups like is kind of a a force unto himself isn't he he's he was truly a saint a patron saint of the podcast so again tips I mean tipster reposted this and again
I mean dud talk about bad faith give me a break you want to really have this conversation [ __ ] she continues I'm disappointed in a Productions you had me on your show and called me a hero for fighting against a far-right stalker form that made multiple people kill themselves now are you
Now you are using out of Contex Clips sourced from the same website to attack people do better Ethan no um I didn't call you a hero for defending vosch I said I thought what you did was heroic
Going up against kiwi Farms does that preclude you exclude you from criticism for the rest of my life of course not don't be dense [ __ ] the only thing you're showing is what a [ __ ] [ __ ] you
Are again these people are the reason I don't like keil is she feels like the kind of person that says like if you defend me I expect you to defend me forever and I'll defend anyone who's
Nice to me which is a very very normal thing in the debate space the normal thing in the debate space is if you're nice to me I'll be nice to you and I think that's that's why there's a lot
Of like disingenuous like friendships and yeah obsess with phrases like bad faith these are bad faith arguments they're not even logically consistent it's just a fallacy to think that I owe you my lifelong Allegiance because you called into the show Once and I complimented you give me
A [ __ ] break dummy I feel like they haven't even watched cuz that's thing saying you are using out of context Clips Source from the same website to attack people it's just they're on aut did not
Happen they're in the it didn't happen again I I say I've said this so many times now but we went through efforts to show the full context which makes me think that her and tips are both just doing the they're on autopilot which is sad and pathetic especially because I've had such a
Good run of being good faith tip um let's see I responded to them I said who the [ __ ] are these people riding pun intended for pornographic drawings of a horse [ __ ] a child am I losing my
Goddamn mind and I just showed them uh you know the tweets I already showed you guys uh what bun says it was because Ethan implied vos's audience are PDF files and Vos is like kind of weird to
See given how much of my audience is trans that is so funny man all these people need to get off the internet that is so funny tips are respond he says yes H3 Productions you are losing your mind you're
Being extremely bad faith can you stop saying that like you genuinely don't know what that means I don't want to hear it anymore bad faith is when you present an argument that you yourself don't
Believe to be true that's how I that's how I um I don't think that's always how bad faith is used engaging and with bad intentions with untruthful unpure intentions and I got to tell you he says
Now everyone everyone is calling you out for it I don't know what forums you're on buddy okay wait bun says I'm actually pretty sure Vos was joking with that I don't know why Kev took it so seriously because she has autism doesn't she wait Am I Wrong doesn't Kev have autism I feel
Like everybody has autism in this space that's why everyone takes everything so literally and gets offended about everything cuz we're like very literal people and so we're like what did you say like no you said this and then it's like that's why I give so much leeway for mistaken language
Because I I know that I'm very literal and I try not to be not that I have autism but I try really hard not to like hold people to that like because again like we don't humans don't speak like that
Humans make mistakes in the way they speak right you know what I mean but if you're in if you're in a community where everybody's calling me out then I have to say I'm suspicious of you I'm even more
Suspicious of you you know what I mean because I don't I don't think that's what's happening buddy but I'll take if you want to tell me the names of all the peop I'd be happy to pass them off to
The FBI if I if they reach out here's the name of all the people who have been calling me out you may want to investigate he says we expected better from you well you shouldn't well that was
Your first mistake first of all just up you know what I mean I also think Ethan probably has autism because his brother has autism and I refuse to believe Ethan doesn't have something other than already what he has because Ethan also does the same thing I think we're all just taking each
Other very literally and then we're like putting each other in boxes and then we're like this is what your internal dialogue is and the problem is like we don't know each other's internal dialogue we're just making guesses and and those guesses might be good sometimes people accurately guess
About me and I'm like oo good guess that's true you've observed accurately and sometimes it's inaccurate so I do think like that's probably what's happening too in this space in general not just in this situation that's a message to anybody friend and F like don't expect better
From me in any situation um yada yada y ke says I literally have Ethan's phone number he gave it to me I'll try to call him later do not [ __ ] call me I don't remember giving you my phone number I don't remember talking honestly political Observer says I wonder if AB and preach
Will get in the middle of this with a reaction video I don't know if they want to touch this CP is a very difficult subject to talk about online I don't know if they'd want to get involved in this
Conversation just like they don't need to they're a big Channel I'm surprised Ethan's willing to do it except it's like you know he is willing it's so controversial I try to stay away from it it's
Like you know what I mean it's just it gets weird I wonder if they will cover it though talking to you on the phone but do not [ __ ] call me please I will definitely I'm not interested in talk on
The phone or wait I wish Vos had been willing to talk to Ethan I thought he was willing to talk to Ethan I thought they were going to talk did he change his mind did vosch [ __ ] out I thought
Vos was going to talk to Ethan bring a call from unknown number frankly you're like two steps away from getting me on the phone two great barriers are between us she says I'll try giving him a
Call later to see if this can be sorted instead of becoming online blood Sports well listen that's kind of my business we're in a we're in a Bloody Business and you all just defended animated TP
So let's gety up hey stop stop dialing ke put the phone down he declined he Ethan declined he backed out he changed his mind what a hor lover what a horse lover voses H what what a horse lover
No I can't believe he backed out what a [ __ ] these Deb Bros are such [ __ ] wow Destiny really is the only debate bro who's willing to go there bro Hassan [ __ ] out of every debate Vos [ __ ]
Out of debates is Destiny the only true debater you can clip this and send it to him tell him I said he's the only true debater in this space I can't believe Stephen is truly the only debater
In the space he would never back out there's no way he wouldn't [ __ ] take this to the there's no way Stephen would decimate H3 and Vos V Vos and Hassan are such [ __ ] they always back out
Of everything bro not that is a debater to be fair but vosch obviously is right what man vosch just pulled a [ __ ] Steven Crowder when Sam Cedar showed up huh that's so funny I can't believe
It bro wow Destiny truly the only debater in this space bro never mind it's not the Three Stooges anymore it's just the one Queen herself there's only one Queen in this shop and she's the only one who's really truly ready to debate and her name is Destiny holy [ __ ] put the phone down
She literally has my phone number okay I that doesn't mean I know you I don't know you so do our whole audience yeah exactly you think you're unique no you I don't defend vosch for clout or
Here somebody said to her notice anyone defending Vos has a finan clout incentive to do so harming children isn't a deal breaker for these people because more subs attention ultimately money are more important to them I don't know if that's true I can definitely understand why they're
Saying that uh CL ke says I don't defend Vos for clout I've lost both financial and networking opportunities for being his friend I defend him because he's a good person who more than not is unfairly maligned by people who should know better so so this happens to him a lot right
It does a lot kind of interesting well why are you defending him then because he's a good person who is more often than not right so you're saying there's a chance he's wrong more often that
Just means 51% you know just this is LLY Hill you really you got to think twice we stepping into the battlefield I can't emphasize that enough K says very cool now he's putting me on blast saying that
I want to debate the ethics of child pornography this is toxic bad fake drama mongering trash for the record she's talking about Han I didn't his I didn't say that didn't say that although I don't
Think that what he is like extremely far off you know I don't think it's that far off you got to just come you got to come to peace with what you're doing said bro I don't know man be at
Peace that was very good Zach that was very good love that um I I would say that vosch very much does want to debate the ethics of child pornography a lot of his fans would disagree and
Say oh it's out a context and stuff but I have a hard time I think the destiny of Destiny oh my God I sorry about the word destiny in my chat the debate sphere is very open to debating anything
Cuz again when you're debating you're not debating your own morals you're usually debating the idea that's why the debate space is also very hard because Debaters don't also always have their own values sometimes they just have their the side they want to debate because they like to debate
Ideas so that's the only dilemma I'm seeing is like a debate group when you have Debate Club you don't debate your values you debate The Prompt so I do think there's something about the challenge of it that's like very very difficult um but I think like Vos dying on this hill is a
Mistake I'm believing that um in the full context of all the conversations he had I wonder if he feels like he backs down and apologizes it would look weird and it would feel dishonest to him because if he is like Autistic or nerd Divergent it maybe his like sense of justice is
For like the particulars of his language I mean Vos does use particular language so maybe it's a combination of things where he feels like he can't re like resend what he said because it will
Not feel right you know what I'm saying that's not part of what he's trying to do so sorry this is all stuff that's happening on because of stuff you've said and done with all due respect I never
Asked to debate Ethan or anyone on this topic I never asked to debate you either I don't even know you I think it's pretty out of pocket for Ethan to say who are these people writing for
Child pornography I said okay hold on hold on I said who the [ __ ] are these people riding for pornographic drawings of a horse [ __ ] a child I was extremely specific for for the purpose of
Being um accurate yeah and not doing things in bad faith so I don't know what the [ __ ] you want I mean again you guys are really wearing that word out it's time to retire that [ __ ] um let's see
That's so you can retire better uh when I'm not defending CP Ethan knows who I am and called me a hero on a show girl me calling you a hero for something you did years ago doesn't mean I know
You what are you talking about you see that's the only problem in this space as well people think they know you more than they do they think you're friends because you were nice
To each other once blah blah blah blah blah blah I don't know you at all what are you saying I called you on a on my show years ago therefore he can he can never criticize me ever without being a
Hypocrite shut up I'm not sure what well now she feels attacked because I was like why are people doing this and now so she's like yo you're attacking trans people sorry where did that come from mudahar entered the ring he says sing some of these links and the footage attached to
Them even with context is an extremely bad look he continues it's called oh no here it is oh [ __ ] he says I don't think H3 production is saying anything out of pocket some debate shouldn't
Be had and some of the photo stor in that folder is downright vile thank you thank you that's all we're saying I mean listen you guys arein need to look in the mirror and and it's going to be
Like one of those uh what was that show where he where he he teleports into other people's skin this is a joke not even worth pursuing but I'm in too D now I know I know exact they're
Gonna look in the mirror and be I'm not talking about the meme I'm not talking about okay hold on fact looking at no the other one um is like a threesome with two chicks and a guy and in
Retrospect looking at knowing now that that artist is a lollycon yeah I can see it when I looked at it I think the vibe that I got was like short stack thick kind of thing you know
What I mean uh like the way uh like goblins get drawn in porn you you'll have to entertain me for a moment on this presumed shared knowledge of how goblins get drawn and wow thanks F I like the
Part where he said this is a pedophile Community um yeah did did did he uh did he say that with regards to there being a lot of transgenders here is that what he meant hm curious um yeah it's not
Great what oh [ __ ] did he really yeah he did or at least it was gestured at I think but uh yeah like the part where he okay yeah they're just trying to like oh does does h3h3 are they racist
Because they don't have any black people that work for them I made that joke I stand by that joke it's pretty funny the meme okay I was just say they're they're going to Quantum Leap into another body and look in the mirror and they're a horse andos behind yeah it wasn't that funny
But I wasn't going to go there there's a famous meme from that show with the r word the regarded and it is frankly um for it's it's a time it was you know back then but wow that's amazing clip
I mean it really is tremendous tremendous it's just truly a tremendous clip ke says who knew people would be so outraged about taxes I guess she's trying to be funny uh tipster continues you defended him against Hassan's Community I defended him and so did Vos is he talking
To ke we were willing to see the Nuance of his argument and defend him cuz it was the right thing to do at least he can just a reminder I'm so sorry in case anyone forgot wasn't kev's and
It was I'm being a sarcastic didn't she literally go after Destiny and say the worst things about stevenh and then take it all back because it was a misunderstanding it was like all of a sudden she was nice to Stephen because they had one conversation after she literally tried to like
Didn't they have like a sue battle and it was like a whole thing and a Manifesto was written and now they're friends all of a sudden because they had like a misunderstanding and I'm like I love clearing up misunderstandings but at the same time like K's like Oh I thought I think
She said like I feel like she I don't trust her he do was the same I put my head in I try I saw the nuance and I didn't [ __ ] agree with it man I don't know how hard it is for you to see that I
Gave him I gave him a shot you know and I have a standing invite as we're live here tipsters ke or vosch you are welcome to call in anytime you want during the show I invited Vos he rejected off
I can't believe Vos rejected I can't believe he rejected I can't believe it to come on I said yes he rejected then he says you can come on my show which presumably because he wanted would they just
Multistream what why wouldn't Vos just multistream on his show and be on why would they go on each other's shows take the money from it and get the the clout from it I said what's the difference and immediately accepted immediately accepted his invitation and then he uh rescinded his
Offer I can't believe that I can't believe pussied out twice I'm offended bro I'm not even a debate bro and I'm offended this is what I'm saying what what this is why Stephen gets the interviews with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and Vos and Hassan do
Not so clearly this is not a conversation the great debate Lord is interested in having and this guy he could talk his way out of a out of Defending frankly he talked his way out of it for
A long time that is impressive it's impressive to do what's done and people defend you I mean that's that's real [ __ ] so um you know this guy the master Deb people you've heard this uh term
Debate pedophile this gives new meaning to that by the way yeah I've learned so many in new terms uh yeah if you guys want to call in just just uh DM the podcast account yeah DM me or the podcast
Account on instam I guess follow them or our DM's open follow them with the Twitter account so that they can DM us if they want wait mantis says vosch hasn't been in De babo for a long time
I feel is that true I don't watch vosch like that but I thought they were like I mean I know Hassan isn't that in it depends Hassan is always willing to debate if it looks good right he
Want pece Morgan and everything so is that true does vosch not debate anymore I just saw him on Kyla like a year or two ago he was still debating then wasn't he I by the way couldn't even finish
That conversation Kyla did so good but I can't even finish it because Vos is so grading but did anybody this is my issues I just can't handle how he talks but is that true does does Vos not debate
Anymore with the Twitter you got the Twitter and and Instagram on Instagram either way Instagram to call in but Vos is a smart guy he knows that this is not a conversation that he wants to have the
Reason for that he's reacted to my debates before to my one with pearl to my one with OE to my one with xqc and he has been very uh bun says vaj had a fortress Arc where he decided not to interact
With people outside of his bubble sof says he just doesn't talk to people outside of his community Vos is in debate ingred says what oh okay okay I was wrong I thought he was a debate Lord still
Well Ethan should go after Destiny because at least we know Destiny will debate him since Hanan and Vos won't uh complimentary he knows that we do research and prep that's my number one guiding principle when entering these conversations it's preparation it's research and you go in there
Basically anticipating everything they're going to say and he knows that that he he's got nothing to say he has nothing to say say some of these girls look pretty young okay yeah we'll get into that
He has nowhere to hide If he if and again it's like you're a great deat if that's what you're so good at come talk to me talk to my audience and um explain to me what I'm missing I mean that should
If I'm lying if I'm being bad faith that should be very easy for you to do right I gotta explain that [ __ ] but he has to like tie himself into like a logical pretzel to explain why advocating
For child adult sexual relationship saying that it's good for the kids is out of context call in dude please I'm begging you okay you're the debate Master right come debate me Tacoma wept Tacoma's weeping because you're coward bro CH said why don't you both want F this show neutral oh I do
It I agree that's it he goes I play the clip of him being like I believe the children and adults can have a healthy sexual relationship that's interesting that was nasty I apologize you know
What though we've been talking recently we got to get Fus to call back in he love Fus man oh yeah he said he's down literally whenever he's the best he's the best want to [ __ ] this [ __ ] all right
Maybe he's not the best moderator that's wild bro what a wild line yeah political observers says bro I can imagine Stephen Playing devil's advocate just to debate Ethan on CP just for the sake of debating oh AB that's that's the debate that's the debate Lord way honestly I'd watch it i' watch the
[ __ ] out of that if that happens we're streaming it if that happened I would stream it because that that would be fun again this this this continued insistent that because they apparently defended
Me against I don't even know what that I owe them uh uh shut the [ __ ] up dude you're like a child is that really what you guys um um want around you though like that's like such a weird way to
Look at life and just your morals in general well listen if you're friends with someone in real life and you have history and you have Rapport and if something comes up that's really uh you know concerning you would talk to your friend right but these are not my friends these are people
Online that I know right and even saying I know them is kind of stretching it like you know it's not this is not this is not what you think it is um Ethan yes I've seen the Tacomo wept clips from
Vosch great hilarious wonderful Ethan I know you were going to see this even if you won't respond I defended you while you were having a meltdown over the stuff with his son first of all a meltdown and
[ __ ] you by the way and also [ __ ] you leave Ethan alone he can figure out his own relationship with h son I really feel like people milked that so hard they made so many assumptions about Ethan
During that time which I thought was [ __ ] Ethan and Assan had a different kind of ending to their podcast but everyone in the space is so [ __ ] debate brained that they kept thinking it was like a brid bridge burning it's not a bridge burning like defend like Ethan didn't want your
Defense cuz you're not even defending him in a way that is like real to him you know what I'm saying you're not like Ethan was really going through it but people use it as an opportunity to [ __ ] on Hassan that's really shitty def using Ethan as an opportuni to [ __ ] on Hassan
Has nothing to do with Ethan so saying like I defended Ethan against Hassan's community no you didn't you just wanted it as an like you just use the opportunity to [ __ ] on Hanan and his
Community bro for saying it you know what I mean and also I didn't ask you to F me stop saying that I don't care you're a child you are a infantile brained [ __ ] if you think that that matters to
Me at all Jesus Christ you think that I'm that shallow that I'm that pathetic and Ethan and his son are like still friends so everybody [ __ ] chill that I'm going to cover for animated CP
Because you said something nice about me shut up dude dude even if my own sibling were to like do something horrendous I'd call the cops and still visit them in prison but like you know this idea
Like I would die for my best friend I'd bury a body for my best friend I would hide your crimes n that kind of a friend I ain't going to prison for you [ __ ] you dumb [ __ ] bad faith Jesus Christ
She's the queen of bad faith she is the queen of bad faith even though Ethan probably has no idea why um she says I defend you when you're having a meltdown people gave me [ __ ] for it oh you still
She literally came for Tom so hard against things he was saying the other day completely taking him out of context and misunderstanding him which is like fine it's the internet but like also don't do
That but also I get it and then like she literally doesn't understand why Ethan is having a hard time around this [ __ ] your neck up for me thanks all I'm asking is for you to show some charitability
To those who showed it to you I'm not your enemy don't show me charitability I don't give a [ __ ] I don't need your charitability I don't ask anyone for any charitability if something comes up I
Speak for myself and if other people agree with me that's great they you know I welcome people that agree with me they want to express that and show support but I do not need you to do that for me
And I did not ask for you to do that to me and it shouldn't come with a price yeah price that I never even exactly but again these people are framing it like they put their neck out for me
You said it because you agreed okay let's be real you're not a saint okay stop okay can I hit that BBA to be clear Ethan and Nan didn't part ways as friends they parted ways as podcast collaborators but not as friends over the Israel Palestine stuff which was to be fair very difficult
For both of them to that's to that's that it's a very difficult thing to get over I don't care you don't care if I'm she said I don't I need I need I have a runny nose same girl got from the boys or
Something I um I said no to the Boba order because I'm on that skinny game oh yeah mantis says the debate space is unfortunately very disingenuous oh it's some of the most toxic interactions I've ever seen in my life in all my years of YouTube of all of my collaborations with YouTubers everyone
Has drama that's for sure but the debate space is some of the like most bad faith characters I've ever seen in my life and so much [ __ ] ego which is why again I try really hard not to be a part of
The debate space but I do love to watch it because it can be fun so it's hard and I also know a lot of really good people in the space like I think there are lots of good people in the space you
Know yeah and I don't like Bobba but it is very refreshing right now okay oh I can't do Bobba the texture [ __ ] it's good talking a lot isn't it good I just again I don't think it's worth that
Calories this like 400 calories yeah I want to eat food cuz I'm hungry good job thank you dip [ __ ] being skinny ain't easy but it's necessary Ethan's doing it though it's making decisions choices want
To be fat nope n want to be skinny yep want to eat Boba NOP want to eat dinner yep are you a winner no loser we we lost it Loser yeah we sorry you fody I responded to ke's oh she goes um a new
Tweet she says hey you didn't address anything I said I'm not pro lollycon and if I thought if I thought Vos was I wouldn't defend him can you please have a discussion about this instead of putting me on blast your 2 million Instagram followers and pedo jacketing me you you morons
You you started talking about me publicly like by the way if I want to put you on blast an Instagram story is really not I'm confused what I would consider blast this is more like put blast but
You're tweeting about it so he's replying I don't what are you doing you're a public figure calling out another public figure no no no shut up [ __ ] bro oh oh go ahead no go ahead no you go ahead I
Was going to say and also as she keeps mentioning she's been on the show so people are going to bring it up obviously so you have to acknowledge it you don't have to but it's good that you did
I was going to say that there's like I I'm what was it you didn't address anything I said what have you said you're just saying that Ethan has been doing stuff in bad faith all you have said
That's it and I take things out of context I'm like this is do we not think that Vos is proi isn't he wouldn't you say he is I'm not sure or maybe it's not proi but he's okay with LLY images
Is that fair is that what is that better cuz I can understand not being proi but also being okay with Loi images is that what Vos is saying watch the segment I don't think so I mean here's what I
Responded to her I said you said I took Clips out of cont the entire conversation revolved around showing the full content everything so the people couldn't say I took things out of content and you still said it so like what what are we talking about exactly I said remember that you chose
To die on LLY Hill indeed let's do a seance for our fallen comrades the Communist Party lost some good ones I don't know I don't think is a Comm V for sure tipster I don't know his
I don't think he's a com can I hit that again you can keep it beli in having a good time I'm good dip [ __ ] as good as I imagine I'm not going to say it I'm GNA keep it clean today
Yeah so there was so much I said I also offered Vos to come on the show and explain to me and my audience how what I said was out of context he declined what the [ __ ] is p Jack why do you
Guys have such weird expressions for everything and how often are you being accused of being a p that you need a nickname for it if the jacket fits you must not no oh my God and then here this
Is again not a real photograph cam sent this and this is not real he is not actually wearing this but is this a pedo jacket I don't know CU I Ian this legitimate question is there actually like
Some legitimate meaning to ped jacket in it sounds so [ __ ] dumb I I looked a little bit earlier I didn't see anything I'll look further into it but not saying anything so if I'm missing something you're putting the pet I don't actually know that term either in the debate sphere but I've heard
It before but I don't know what it is what does it mean doesn't mean like uh pretending you are one but you are like what is it what guys give us give us a definition somebody jacket on them
Which is very analogy I've never heard don't put that jacket on me you guys have made that up don't put that jacket on me jacket off somebody on the subad said I'm telling Ethan right now with all
The peace and love do not debate Vos trust me there's nothing to be gained these accusation been around forever and this man is not a serious person debating him will only give him credibility
Even if it's just a small amount by all means mock him all you want but I can promise you this if you platform this man he will not come to say talk to you in good faith and he and his fans will not go
Away quietly please do yourself a favor and cut him off well I appreciate your concern but I was emphatically uh uh pedo jacketing that's what the word is by the context seems to be branding
Someone as a pedo yeah is that the is that what it is okay mantis says it means putting a jacket on someone a label that doesn't necessarily fit oh oh that makes sense in context that okay that's that's what I thought okay something like that okay yeah so putting so they're they're basically
Making that assumpt okay yeah yeah yeah it's disingenuous branding okay yeah yeah that makes sense uh okay open to having him on it's only fair I thought you know the man should be able to come speak for himself speak to my audience speak for me and defend yourself I can't believe
Vosy out I'm never going to I'm never not going to be shocked by that that is so shocking to me what one what an opportunity to build your platform bigger but two what a what an opportunity to like
Prove yourself right like what an opportunity to like prove yourself I wonder why he pussied out I can't believe it is he that afraid of Ethan I mean I love Ethan oh my God I would be I wish I was oh
I wish Ethan and I could fight so we could have fun I also think it'd be so much fun I said you don't have to worry because I already invited him on and he said no he doesn't trust me to be good
Faith and not lie about him this is stuff he told me in DMS isn't that the whole point of debate to directly post my position he responded by inviting me to call to his show which I immediately accept
It and he changed his mind on that too wait so he accepted being on vos's show and then Vos said actually no send my original invitation one I offered him to be on our show he said
No because you will lie about me two he then said you can come on my show if you want to talk about it he claims I'm only doing this for views and that our live from Friday had huge numbers in
Actual we had a very typical amount of views sorry today it's good today I would say it's above average 55,000 oh that's pretty good that's a horse [ __ ] size of a viewership dude boy I'll
Tell you that's true man the St will be full today boys it's the hay we should keep it the hay really brings the room together I'm glad I'm glad it's worth the the hle it was so heavy it me
Dan and Zack had to bring it up oh my God it was only was it 20 bucks for a wow I was how much ba how much hay does like a horse eat in a day or a cow you know like what's the what do it cost to
Feed a farm animal and how is it they all eat hay right like they all were like let's just [ __ ] with hay forever it's gr 15 to 20 pounds of hay per day the average thousand pound horse and how
Much is up how much you this way you think uh I don't know what you say guys maybe days of food would sound a b it's a good deal hey fellas these B are chew fellas um wait is that real hay behind
Them are they literally serious is this real this isn't a is just the stable the green screen that's pretty good that's a good set I immed accept it ask him what's the difference a question he did
Not answer he said he won't ever believe that I'm not knowingly lying on purpose he says says and so you know I have the DMS they're here in the doc if anyone wants to see them and the reason
I say that is because he started responding me calling me a snake and a liar and [ __ ] said more than happy to sh DMS if he's okay there's so much after all the good takes you had to do this
Dem Lolli porn we must draw the line somewhere okay so now here's Vos in his Discord responding he says there will be no debate all of this has been discussed before at length talk to Ethan and DMS andb came across insanely snakish like a cartoon sorry what I don't know are you talking
Snake like a cartoon yeah is that a Jew joke see that I'm just kidding that's that's what he did that's what he did to me although I do have a bonus SE there is no debate on anti-Semitism
I do oh damn but I talked to Ethan in DMS and he came across insanely snakish oh my God Vos chill I'm kidding I don't think he's doing a je thing uh literally any direct engagement with him or anyone
Else right now will be interpreted disingenous like I'm digging myself in deeper no matter what I say the streams will continue the politics will continue and like every other way of disingenuous drama the truth will be apparent to people who chill out for a second and consume literally
Any of my content you know and I understand what you're doing you're talking to your audience who you don't want to look into this very very deeply and just continue to take no Ethan's wrong on this
I do think like the okay if you're going to debate Ethan you have to have fun with it I feel like I would have so much fun with it cuz it's not like Ethan's going to Deep dive Ethan doesn't deep dive
It takes too much it's too many hours guys I love you all so much it t it would take so many hours to Deep dive into vos's stuff to really understand the Nuance which is why I'm not coming down very
Hard on vosch because I haven't done the research because it would just take like so much time but if I was vosch I feel like how could you not use this as an opportunity to talk to Ethan and have
So much fun like am I the only Optimist that I'm like this would be so much fun just cuz I love Ethan probably I probably be like oh my God Hi and then we would talk but I also wouldn't
Cuz Ethan calling me something would just be like kind of cute cuz Ethan doesn't research anything so like I wouldn't even be offended I think if Ethan tried to paint me a certain
Way I would just have so much fun with it why do you think Vos isn't GNA have fun with it maybe because he doesn't like Ethan there's no way Ethan is snakish Ethan's just Ethan your word
For it that it's all taken out of context and it's bad faith and it's snaky um insanely snakish this was if vos's subreddit was having a good one they said Vos should legitimately Sue Ethan for slander
Someone says as nice as that would be I doubt there's enough case to have a case no there is the amount of slander and false accusations are more than enough for a solid lawsuit I said I'm
I'm begging you please I'll Ethan would love it Ethan loves suing people or getting sued he loves getting sued even crowd fund for you to sue me let's do it and I'm being dead serious I would
Be [ __ ] over the moon if you sued me please bro let's do discovery on that hard drive fell exactly let's see what's below the top of that there let's see Taxas 2014 MH that's right that's right that's
What I said here this was another meme you know a great Point mantis says honestly I think vaj has been out of the game for too long and this is a heavy topic and he's probably scared yeah I could
See that if you came in very seriously about it yes which is why I probably wouldn't as much or I would just ask questions just ask Ethan enough questions to get him to understand that he hasn't
Even deeply thought about this either you know what I mean these people are not funny this is the moronic look at this I say the whole thing is really lacking humor between him and the reaction of his community everything started because there was something really funny happened the
Horse stuff yeah y the horse stuff is funny his reaction was funny no and and it was new it was new so there's a conspiracy theory that Dan is somehow The Mastermind behind this whole thing
So and we'll get to that but here's the um the meme Vos is a brand now what's the brand what's the brand my little My Little Pony My Little Pony well H3 Studios Dan is Worm tongue and I'm like
The king of Rohan or whatever yes I'm not I am not Worm tongue in this situation I'm not even I'm not even in Rohan Tom [ __ ] Bombadil dude leave me out of this they disagree bro um very
Wise My Le and while you're at it call that one a ped too and that one and that one I thought this was so funny cuz it makes it so funny CU it's not ironic this is what's happening also I'll
Say this I love that they put it like an X over The Horse like that's why we just hate horses well I'll tell you one thing I definitely don't love horses as much as you do that's I don't know if
That makes me a horse hater this man is an anti- horite horses need love too buddy cheers my horse so here's tipster he actually filmed a video um and he's very mad oh no he's very mad go ahead
T that's what he me the argument is just like so flimsy because he then has to say that not the act of making the child porn is immoral but like you have to at a certain point say that simply child
Porn if there isn't a victim is moral like no you don't have to say that because that's not what he saying at all I hate to break it to you buddy but I don't know if You' thought this through
Enough well he's playing Donkey Kong how can you think when you're playing Donkey Kong that's a challenging game people are [ __ ] brain dead like I listen to this and I I just hate people
I I hate people like this I [ __ ] hate first of all I want to play the original Donkey Kong what the [ __ ] on the 6 on the Super Nintendo I don't play that I love that [ __ ] game uh second of all
Um if they're talking about real child corn then that obviously involves a victim whether it's old and been recycled but if they're talking about la that involves no children obviously everyone I legitim hate by the way you are right thank you you're absolutely right and TI how dare you
Literally check yourself buddy I got to say I was watching some of this he is really [ __ ] good at Donkey Kong Country like he was this is a hard ass level he just that hard this is a hard level
Thing no it Ain this level is hard no way I crush this dude crush it I'm with you you would know I know my dog he's a gamer though you could tell by looking at him yeah didn't he just lose he
Had a frog he just lost a frog his background that's a gamer background wait what's the Frog thing back up the video oh roll the tape you can get little uh friends to help you little animals
Saying at all he's riding this is when they talked about vos's take on CP well obviously like CP is always unethical and the redistribution of old CP is unethical right these people are [ __ ] brain dead you're going call us bra dead and you're going to [ __ ] sit there and lose your frog
Idiot idiot you're telling me he's good at this what are you talking about he finishes his level without dying one and also wait is it possibly did on purpose it was faster I was thinking that for a
Second but I think he just Anno the clip why did you laugh when I said he looks like a gamer love I don't know I you he look like he be really good at donkey I assume you were talking about
His background of course like he has video game stuff Farm brother and I played a competition with this Donkey Kong and whoever beat it first one he barely won I was on his tail the whole time but I
Can't the [ __ ] mining levels with the the cart through the the lights go on and off oh that's so hard for me of course I he's ever had a gamer moment sometimes I wonder if the people who do
This kind of videos are really playing the game or are they just using footage a lot of people don't right that's actually been a controversy I've seen where they'll steal other people's gameplay and
Put it in and it becomes like a whole thing what I thought he was above that I knew it what the fre on the internet that literally just make these stupid [ __ ] arguments like internets that's literally what this is nobody will ever explain why it's wrong they'll never get into the actual
And potato AR get this just bad faith okay but I'm not going to explain it nobody in this whole thing tipster or Vos has ever told me where what I lied about and what I'm wrong about other than
Just to speak kind of like abstractly about it being bad faith you're too dumb to understand dip [ __ ] I just don't understand how like how would K or tipster defend the clip where he's saying that in not this Society but in another a sexual relationship between a child and adult
Could be beneficial to the child like I want well he's talking she he's he he's probably talking about my family lineage he is probably having that conversation like literally he's probably talking about that you know what I mean how they think that's that's dependable that's what I'd
Like to ask them too if they would call in yeah I'm still waiting I check there there's nothing in the inbox yet yeah that's the only situation I can understand cuz that's a really hard discussion
To have with my family members like I said earlier and it's I again I try not to bring it up it triggers the [ __ ] out of everybody because all the couples even though the girls were all minors and the men were older all the couples end up being with each other until they
Died they all raised kids that love them their kids really love them so they really admire them we have a really good like relationship with those couples so in that situation and again I want to break generational curses and not do it again but all of those people allegedly were all very happy
With how things turned out and all their kids and their grandkids like I love my grandparents they have very complicated relationships I love my aunties and uncles it's very complicated so I can see that that is like the example but I don't I don't know because again we're talking about
Marriages we're talking about I don't know if Vos is meaning that is that what Vos means I'm trying to be good faith here discourse says I think Vos said it in a more in a sense of statistically it'd
Be odd if there's no times where they wouldn't be harmed but he did say given how vast majority of the time it's harmful he's against it as a rule okay K says are you being super generous or did
Vos allude it to being along those lines I don't know now now I'm confused I think he autistically meant like in a a bill in 8 billion people there's probably one situation where it works out I think
That's what he was saying right which I guess like is statistically true but it still is not good right I think in being totally good faith I think that's what he meant which again very autistic but like okay so I think that's what he meant is he's thinking about the one person and
8 billion people this could work to so says are we talking about what vash's argument is I think his arguments was quote it would it would reduce harm to use the stuff that's already out there no no that's something different we're talking about now we're not talking about the creation of the
Core and we're talking about relationships okay let's see uh hypocritical says he only meant that he doesn't believe it's inherently impossible I meant hypothetically okay yeah I don't think it's inherently impossible in every situation but I think generally we should not want children and
Adults to ever coh habitate but also we decide what a child is based off an arbitrary line of 18 and I think that's within reason we want that for we want to protect kids we want to
Do whatever it takes to protect children and young adults I would say even people under the age of 30 25 to younger I think we should make a concerted effort to protect them as well so maybe something
Like that you know what I mean I have a feeling they won't be reaching out I have that feeling as well however um something that unfortunately you'll probably never to experience yeah um yeah these stupid [ __ ] out of context clips and make the obvious response to what these clips suggest
Just so they can get internet ass Pats and Twitter likes and [ __ ] views on YouTube and [ __ ] like that dude bro you listen to him say that sexual relationship with a child could be beneficial to a child and you took the obvious reaction what what's what's an internet ass Pat like good job
Buddy like on the field why ask why they why don't have pat on the back because to them it's a sport you know what I mean tips they slapp me on the ass is that virtual essay he might yeah
Don't touch [Laughter] me uh hypocritical says and Vos agreed in that same discussion that we still shouldn't allow it he was making a rule utilitarian argument yeah I think he just like the debate space and again I don't watch fos so I don't know but the debate space is open
And does have very interesting conversations and even I like in my black and white thinking and my very like nurd Divergent thinking sometimes do come across is like very like and so it's very confusing and that's why I say like without the context it's going to be even worse like literally
So many people took me out of context and said like Britney wants to genocide disabled people cuz I said like ones are useless and I'm like what does disability have to do with ones and that's because everyone in their head when I said useless people in society attributed that to what
They hear is useless people but I never think of disabled people as useless people the fact that you do though I says think that something something about you when I literally say ones are useless I'm never thinking disabled people or homeless people so I kind of understand like being
Taken out of context cuz people like you like they end up prescri like projecting whatever they think that word means onto the groups of people they think it it applies to so like obviously I don't think that but that but then I can understand why they would take me out of context because
Their bubble probably told them disabled homeless people are useless when I'm like I don't believe that I don't believe that but like okay but if you believe that like okay I don't believe that this
[ __ ] that's literally what this is let me take a jab at someone that I dislike on the internet hold on what's this Discord sent it to me that's the difference between act and Rule utilitarianism an
Act utilitarian would say oh this is an instance where it was good for the adult and the minor to have sex that would make it a good action but the rule utilitarian how do you measure that bro how
Who's setting up to measure that yeah I'm really curious you know dude you and it's not just once you've done this several times it's like a point he keeps coming back to I am would say even though
That individual outcome was good the Act was still bad because in general in a broader application for adults and children to have sex with one another leads to he's like if Plato met Jimmy sevel well or just Plato met Plato oh yeah you know what I'm saying yeah true what if you also
When we say child we're all imagining something different is he talking about a 15-year-old a 17-year-old a 12-year-old 13y old a 12-year-old a 2-year-old so obviously is Vos imagining when he says child and adult is he imagining a 17-year-old or is he imagining 16-year-old and
We I don't know why we're pretending like around the world and up until recently love mared mares are very new thing that generally speaking in a lot of societies you were married off as young people you were absolutely like it's not good or bad I'm just saying well it's bad but like
It's bad only because like that's my values and I agree with that so is Vos like I don't know I feel like this is like pretty normal debate bro stuff but also like that's why the conversation is so difficult because like who are you imagining what's the type of person you're imagining what
Are you thinking about when you say that so you know what I mean I don't dis like much that's why you guys are wrong I said during the video that none of you guys clearly watch I like Vos
I think he's funny I think he's a good speaker funny actually no not funny but I think he's smart and a good speaker oh jeez and some of his videos are I've enjoyed watching that being said
So no I don't have a vendetta against him and I liked him before all this [ __ ] started to transpire about find saying one mean thing about Vos before this give me a break you guys are just
Doing the you're on autopilot it's so embarrassing [ __ ] true just so I can make a quick Buck on the internet somebody who is friends with an artist who draws goblin porn the funny thing is I knew exactly what Vos was talking about because his descriptor for goblin porn exactly what the way
That is so funny hipster knows about the goblin porn we haven't watch we haven't watched it yet but when I was hearing it I was like what is goblin porn I've seen a lot of troll and I think goblin porn I don't know if they were goblins they're definitely trolls seen a lot
Of that monster [ __ ] stuff everyone reaction I'm obsessed actually can you look up what is a goblin in goblin porn look like cuz I'm curious spoilers dude he describes it in great detail to SP anything about that clip that's the new greatest great ever doing PR yeah yeah there
Guys there's so much this is I'm telling you this is insane she draw her art shout out to R and ding simp I don't know if you realize how optically bad what you just said looks this looks dude you
Are literally defending animated CP at this moment talking to me about Optics holy [ __ ] it's [ __ ] terrible wow well listen if if criticizing CP it makes me look terrible then I'll be Darth Vader I [ __ ] you know what I mean like oh I'll take that I'll take that tough route you're going to
Have a hard time uphill with that arent buddy it is true like they're definitely like the Optics looks bad for the Vos in his side right nowo um so again they I found this clip with like all the
Oh [ __ ] it doesn't work and to be fair I which Ethan andila with my kids much more than I would trust vosch or anyone on that debate anyone in the debate sphere I would absolutely want Ethan
Andila to watch my kids over anyone in the debate sphere to be fair because they're all degenerates so this one here I think it's because it's the Twitter thing maybe I think it's because it's
Like marked as mature does it open for you guys you see it in the clip go look for the clip at yeah I can skip it though it's not it's not really material um here's all everything he said about me
On Discord and Twitter over on Friday and Beyond yo H wants to talk that's totally cool but you'll have to wait because I'm getting a haircut what happened so that was as we were finishing the show
Show yeah he knew what I was saying the haircut is done but I'm still not going on he said this is what I get for being into what is midna I didn't know what that meant what midna he talking about
Uh Zelda midna okay I don't know it's definitely some weird fetish thing I think the way he's talking about it this is what I get for being into midna growing up my mind was more charitable
To the chubby short stack archetype oh it is I think it is talking about mid then mid short wa what is it talking about can you sp a picture at Mid please sure uh this ain't helping your
Here brother let me see there she is no way you guys are not fantasizing over her that's a child is that a child I think she's just a little person I don't know if that's a child she kind
Of got a grown face this look like more like a little person are little people not allowed to get laid this is Lolly cuz she's probably meant to be super old but that's like a baby
So she yeah she's older she's like is that a baby am I weird it looks like a little elf it looks like a it looks like a woman like she's got boobs and and a tubby belly and like that's all
Women stuff I would know I have a tubby belly but like I don't know that looks like a little person like a she's like a queen but then she's turned to this creature you think this is hot okay say
No more all right then again listen you could you could think that Mitten is hot that's what he get for it but again in the context of everything we do not like this infatuation with mid it's all
Compounding yes compounding interest yeah but one thing I do get one thing I do get really bothered by is the persistent implication that all these maliciously cut Clips are deep Secrets they're unearth or not like discuss to the death of my channel I've made videos addressing them multiple
Times it comes up in debate again this is one of their go-to defenses it's totally untrue I never insinuated that and even if it was true it doesn't change anything man we didn't we didn't know about it m cuz you've talked about it doesn't mean that everybody watches your channel I mean
Give me a break you know what's midna is really interesting I'm sorry before we move on because that kind of gives him an out being that midna is actually older but she's this creature for 99% of
The game you only see her real form at the end so it is interesting that that's interesting I wish somebody had mentioned that that be really uh insightful no I know we talked about her actually being older I'm just saying that that as a psychological standpoint like looking at
M that's a good character to use as an excuse to publicly be like oh she's hot because she's older well that's that's what the lollycon loopful is they all use that and it says she speculated to be over 18 very convenient specul over way it says that is comic book resources.com however
Specul I also think there's something about um and again like nymph like nymph and Fairy like characters and they're kind of childish but devilish that is sort of the Innocence can be like like alluring and I think people that are really [ __ ] up and really really really gross I think
They confuse actual innocent children as being these nymphs and these like fairies and these seductresses because they're [ __ ] perverts and they're gross and they're sick in the head and I think there is a separation of this lore that like happens in fantasy bubbles so like in one
B and I'm not talking about sexual fantasy I mean like fantasy like like fiction so in one form of uh bubble there is like again the nymph that looks innocent but it's actually going to like rip your throat out like a mermaid like a traditional mermaid but then I think the perverts think
It's like children and that's why they blame children like I was watching this like court case on Tik Tok and this guy like blamed a grandpa blamed his six-year-old granddaughter because she was dressing provocatively and I'm like what's happening and I think these like people that are
Really sick in the head like really sick in the head like super super sick they literally can't tell the difference between an innocent child and like their responsibility to that child or even a young person like a young adult like some adults do this with like 20-year-olds or 21 year
Olds or 22 year olds we're like I'm looking at this like I know it's an adult adult I know 22 is an adult but still sometimes 22-year-olds are they need to be protected like you you shouldn't be like with the 22-year-old but also I'm not saying you're a PDF file for being with
The 22-year-old I'm saying you're possibly ignoring the red flags of them being too quote inexperienced to be dating somebody your age and so I think there's like a whole lot of like overlap between different kinds of conundrums so you know what I'm saying there's there's a lot
Here yeah there's like a lot there's a lot of and that's why it's so difficult because again I don't know I don't I think Society is going to have to contend with the fact that so many men might actually end up coming out to say they enjoy younger looking people and look it's
Very complicated you know I'm so against age Gap relationships where the younger person is over 10 years of an age Gap and they're under the age of 30 you know that because I am concerned about people not being considerate of that young person's age and if they're like if they're
Going to grow out of the relationship as they age you you you can't you shouldn't be engaging with them unless it's temporary and it's just like for a moment but that's the Dilemma so again I'm not I'm trying to be like nuanced here and everything I know I have my own biases against
Ageg Gap relationships when the younger person is you know under 30 but I also know like you're 22 you're an adult you can make your own decisions you're 18 you're an adult you can make your own decisions but I I wish we had better mentors mentors that didn't [ __ ] their mentees that
Could genuinely guide people I'm really lucky that all of the people that ever played a mentor role in my life were never inappropriate with me we're always just mentors I think so many people get in Mentor mentee relationships and [ __ ] their mentees which adds a whole new layer of like
Confusion to the relationship right but I also know it's considered hot in certain bubbles to have like the ment te relationship with people but I also think there's something toxic to that because again you're like not invested in the best interest of the person you're mentoring if you're
[ __ ] them now you're interested in your sexual like activity and I think that blinds you I just you know what I mean she's over 18 and likely in her mid 20s okay she's not ancient so hold
On there this seems to be official I guess she does have an adult version so perhaps so which one is short short stack yeah right with link in the whole game was the first one we looked
At at the very end you you reveal her truthful also much like there's a fantasy of being over like having a very big woman take advantage of you like a very tall giant woman there's a fantasy of
Having like a very small woman taking advantage of you in fantasy lore so I think there's something to that as well or not like fantasy like now I'm not talking about the genre I'm talking about sexual fantasy but so in that there's that as well so I would say that that could
Be an overlap as well where you think it's about being a kid but it's actually just being like uh unsuspecting madx says again has a lot to do with size difference Kink is this what I are you saying
What I'm saying wait wait you said now fairies and NS sometimes tend to be more childlike but that's like a halfling goblin and a Dwarven species with heavy short stacks tend uh Trope and tend not to be childlike nymphs and mythology also tended to be womenly youthful but sexually enticing okay
Noted this as she turns he's like go back to the child one you were way hotter before pleas I cannot believe um yeah that's that's one of the tropes that they say all the time that's how they get a loophole they go oh yeah no she's a 9,000 year old
Demi God that looks like she's eight also in her final form she is so hot it's like crazy he wants nothing to do with that I know that's really insane to me he wants that yeah he wants a little Which Way West there actually seems to be more when she seen her
Tiny figure she's younger according to this her eyes have more Sparkles they're much bigger yeah she has child says midnight Pierce as an impl creature but her actual form is humanoid in her second age form midnight is 10 years old and wears a black robe I don't know I don't know
The Lord I don't know how this looks like it looks like a child version of her and that's the one for the record F wants the [ __ ] right I don't think it's a child version of
Her I don't know I'm still not um maybe I don't know I don't know how this is no hold on hold on he says this is what I get for being into minid growing up my mind was more charitable to the
Chubby short stack AR he's talk about yeah he's talking about the lli picture he's yeah he wanted to fuckid doesn't that fall under it's the LLY and is it some form of beastiality too why cuz like it's not human like I feel like it's more animal likee well it's a humanoid humanoid yeah
It's a humanoid H yeah I wouldn't put the B Alle on them if they can speak if you can talk to it then I think you're good okay also interesting I just remembered link is a wolf in that game that's
The one where he's a wolf the whole time and short wres him short writes him in that game disgusting stallion energy by the way one thing you'll notice well looking through all this his Discord sorry I
Just put three bubbles in my mouth I feel like a horse doing up carrot take it away from I have a question actually while you're chewing is anybody hungry I'm [ __ ] starving yeah they're reaching at this point which I think is like what H3 does which is why they're not really Debaters that's
Why you should debate them because they're not real Debaters they're not actually looking for the Nuance truth right that's why it's fun to debate Ethan because it's not real but like people take Ethan so seriously which is why Ethan takes things so seriously but like stop taking Ethan seriously
Guys dude okay what would what would be like the appropriate meal for this though hey Happy Meals hey we have hey get out of here that's [ __ ] AB I'll take and also like normies be normies be normies you know even though Ethan Ela are kind of not normal compared to actual normies
They're more normal than the debate sphere right I kind of would a Happy Meal it's not you want McDonald's I don't to do that to you so good yeah don't do that to Let's health I mean we
Don't have to eat healthy but McDonald's is in Discord and I'll keep going okay the one thing because I'll eat anything I don't care the one thing I noticed going through all this receipts and stuff his Discord is the people on there are like all degenerates and they have these kinds
Of conversations are all the time that's why I make you guys pay for my Discord it takes down the degeneracy I'm I'm dead Sears please sign up for the Discord it's a great space and it's helped support the content we have multiple events coming up including a professionally paid yoga session we
Do it monthly she's amazing she's very aware of chronic health because I have fibromyalgia so she makes it very accessible to all people you don't have to be perfect at it but this is why I make
People pay for my Discord it's degenerate when it's free I went on to Tom fery's Discord they are degenerate they're so cruel and haters join just to bully him I hate it there I hate it there free
Discords are the worst discords I'm sorry I said it I don't like the people on free discords and how do you mitigate haters like No my discord's great and because it's through patreon if a hater
Comes on you don't get a refund [ __ ] yep patreon lets me decide who gets a a refund because you are you can't can't just like support the content get access to it and then bail like you can't come in
And like bully people like no so if you join my Discord as a troll I'm keeping your money and I'm blocking you um and it's 18 plus my Discord is also 18 plus okay you have to be 18 to join
My patreon you have to be 18 to join my Discord and if you found out I keep your money and you get kicked out you know I don't give your money back you can't give me money and then try to no
Noam so again um I feel like people in my space are very open minded but they paying really does filter out you know britty yours is the only paay Discord I've ever heard of thank you so much it
Is the majority of how I make my money actually out of all my streams of income my Discord is how I make most of my money so it's a good Community lots of people are there and lots of people are
Doing good you know like they're really they're really thoughtful people not even everyone shows up so many people just lurk but it's a really it's great it's a great source of income everyone wins
It's 10 bucks a month and I'm there so like if you guys want to talk to me I'm available so you know what I mean and there's so much conversation spearheaded byos about sex sexuality and all this kind of Kink stuff he he's he's interacting with his audience for sexual gratification it seems
Like I mean that's that's an assumption although he has done that before with this girl Lolly which I'll get into wait no not LLY poppy yeah I was like wait that doesn't make sense Jes whoops her name was poy um so that's already alarming by itself there's so many different facets of this
That are just giant red flags man uh he continues after saying he wanted to [ __ ] mint baby Mna one thing I do really bro see how you gamers in the chat right now are like um she's literally an
Adult no matter the size bro but like he's he's going to you know what I mean Ethan they can't handle it they don't I don't know they probably just don't have access to this kind of bubble
So it's like very strange for them you know oh I already read that one yeah people did horse emojis on this by the way 13 horse emojis on this comment I don't know if that's significant what
Like imagine if I did a 2our stream where me and a group of people all mockingly reacted to Cs and images of Ethan that make them look terrible and probably cut together by people who [ __ ] hate
Him do it I mean people would probably say why are you doing this but do it and then I'll respond by saying you know what all that stuff that they showed was really [ __ ] up and uh you know I
I have nothing I have nothing to say in my defense other than that I'm I'm constantly uh maturing and growing and trying to do better you know so like it's it's not the same says then I and everyone
Pretend we've done some deep dive and unveiled Secrets he wants to keep hit him from the world bro that part is so stupid who gives [ __ ] it's a secret on people haven't seen it that's a good point Discord says wait do they think unironically that Tinkerbell is a child just cuz she's small
You guys know like Tinkerbell I don't know how old she is but I assume she's of age she drawn like she's of age and if she's not of age I aged her up she's 34 now I just decided you know Tinker
Bell's 34 facts but yeah I think we all had a thing for Tinkerbell growing up to some extent right people haven't seen it people do that to me on a weekly basis I really don't give a [ __ ] I mean it's embarrassing I don't like talking about cuz it's embarrassing it makes me feel
Bad but like I'm always that's I wonder if Ethan would have an issue with a little person being with somebody else cuz like sometimes they do get mistaken for children which is like you know that sucks I've done that I've mistaken adult little people for children my bad and it does suck but
Like obviously they have the right to express themselves and to have a relationship and to like have a you know what I mean I policy on this stuff is that I'm always going to confront this
Stuff head on when and talk about it as many times as people want to hear me talk about it because I was wrong you know what I mean there's no hiding from that but he wants to talk about chubby short
Stacks you know what I mean uh so yeah I don't know what the [ __ ] he's on about go do a toour live stream of mocking all the dumb things I've saying I really don't care you know what I mean
Also like you're saying that kids and adults can have sex and it' be meaningful for the kids like dude stop it we're not saying the same things so embarrassing I doubt I'll he says I doubt I'll ever understand why Ethan turn coed like this [ __ ] I don't know you what are all these
Coat inject seriously is Warehouse wait what is that now a turn coat means that you switch Sid Traer call you tra I got no coat I don't own coats I don't own jackets I don't own coats
I'm a t-shirt guy you're gonna like the way your horse looks I guarante Saddle Up Men's Warehouse Ethan reaching out asking to have me on the Vibes are insanely bad extremely obvious this is just
Content to him incredibly snakish I'm going to see if I can get him on to talk on my stream without him being live so he's not able to just make a second round of content of me lying bro are you
Dumb that's the same [ __ ] what does it matter I'll call to your show you know I mean like what doesn't matter I'm GNA talk to you on your show have the same conversation it's a live show what
Do you what is this logic very clear good faith was never a consideration so it wouldn't be if I came on either is every conversation that Vos has had like I need you to enter this conversation in good faith or I'm leaving I'm pretty sure that like entering a conversation with the expectation
That you're going to have conflict with the person or that they're somehow out to get you is Common Place in's world of debate he's trying to make it seem like this is an outlier in the
World of debate is a total [ __ ] fraud you know I mean dude the issue is simple oh my God okay I got to pee so bad but I don't want to pause it because we're falling behind I'm going to keep it
Playing just like tell me in chat what they said I'll be back two minutes I pee very fast I'll be back in two minutes if I'm lying you as a master debater ultimate philosoph philos philosophical
Intellect should be Child's Play and I don't mean that and I know p is intended on that I should never bring that up in this context with this but it should be midn play let's say that
To to to disarm me especially if he thinks that we just got it wrong yeah you know he says this is issue there's no winning if it's just half a dozen people jering at you and calling you a ped
You can't debate your way out of a well poisoned by two hours of character assassination okay well I mean he's not wrong I do think it would be a disaster if you called in I do but like you're
The debate guy I don't you know what I mean I'm just some dumb idiot okay so like yeah and he's doing this uh I didn't think it was bad faith I'm just curious to have you on to know y routine
Okay well you act like I can manipulate you into coming and talking my show you're the debate guy that's your whole thing so many people warn me he was a snake hold on hold on hold on who told you
That was it ke and tipster because I thought they were disappointed in me that I was such a great guy other than that I don't know a single person that knows the two of us and that's being generous
That those two know me um so many people warn me he was a snake bro so many people warn me you're a pedal I'd rather be a snake than a pedal or and I mean that he consumes cartoon CP not that he is a
Pedo although that would insinuate because a pedo is someone who's attracted to kids right not it doesn't mean that they've undertaken the act of of harming a child mhm oh [ __ ] are we getting Taco Bell yes BOS continues when I pointed out the fact that if he was interested in my
Opinion or context on any of these accusations he probably would have reached out to me before doing a surprise 2hour hitpiece he said that us having had a conversation before doesn't mean you're owed that um what bro what what a surprise hitpiece I mean is it a surprise you had this m this
Silly outrageous horse porn leak that everybody was talking about Vos is crazy didn't come out of nowhere it came out of your [ __ ] 2B sorted folder bucko oh that uh he kept calling the topic he did I don't he's such a [ __ ] as though was a mutual beef and not entirely one-sided completely
Un promptu smear attempt this is only content to him I'm not so enthusiastic as to freely allow people to profit from lying about and degrading me okay that's news to me have you considered that
He genuinely thinks you are a non and that's why he engaged in it like non is idot right no there another P oh it is another that's what the English call it yeah I think oh there's a guy who went up
To James Charles and said it I don't think James knew what it me he okay so this person actually asked a good question have you ever considered that he genuinely thinks you're a not and that's
Why he's engaging like that he says no I don't think he believes any of this at all what bro we saw this D literally he literally walked up to me and said hey I want to tell you something
And uncuck your ears listen up and focus on every word I'm saying with intention children and adults can have sex and it be a positive experience for the kids that I've been looking for more context on that one because they say everything's at of context we haven't really been able to find more
Context on that one right no I mean I thought I showed the context pretty good sort of like maybe not like I mean if you're just making an argument that's the problem with debate spaces is if you're because that's the problem with having these conversations like when we talk about like
What is moral or ethical remember it's all made up like I don't know if people know this like it is all made up everything you're mad about is made up it's not real it's like it's real but it's like a
Perception so this idea that like the world hasn't run on child marriages because everyone thought it was okay to some extent even though it's not okay like that was a perception the idea that we're mad
About it now is a perception but the perception is what about well harm reduction to some extent but also about your goal and so he when you're making an argument about like what is ethical for society you're making an argument about what is good for society and then the society dictates what
Is the goal of the good and so I'm not saying it's okay I'm saying like I I think it's like I don't know I feel like you're not I I understand what they're saying obviously Ethan and Ela are trying
To protect kids and we're here for that you know Hannah great example says I'm too Normy uh I'm too Normy bubble to care about some of the nuances on this topic I think I think that's fair and I think
That's probably more than reasonable we obviously want to protect kids more than not I think the Dilemma is that we're not going to protect kids in the long run if we don't actually understand why people choose them and I think that's a lot harder to admit out loud than we're willing to
Have a conversation about right now and I think it's going to be a huge mistake but I don't care because humans always make these mistakes humans care about children but mostly they care about not feeling icky about their own opinions I don't think people are really with willing to
Care for children enough to go to the extent of like protecting them against all their biases so example conservatives feel about like trans kids the way Ethan feels about vaj looking at Loi and there's something about that we need to talk about right because obviously people literally
Think like trans people Target children and that if you make your child trans quote if you make them quote trans then you are like basically a PDF file right cuz it's about groom in which is about sexual like gratification in the end so again when we're having nuanced conversations it's always
About protecting kids but everyone has a different method of doing it and so I'm saying until we're ready to admit out loud that we're not actually interested in protecting kids as much as we're interested in feeling good about our opinions about protecting kids I don't know that we're
Actually pro- protecting children like my parents said that to me growing up my whole life don't you want to protect kids then they shouldn't be gay don't you want to protect kids then they can't have gay teachers well my gosh you don't want to protect kids Britney and it's like well that sucks
That's a sucky narrative I internalize so much growing up that gay people were predators towards children that like I had borderline personality disorder because I was going to abandon myself you know so again like when we're having conversations about like protecting children
We need to ask ourselves like which kids cuz I was a child when I was being berid with anti-gay propaganda from the goodness of people's hearts like the wrote toell is paved in Good Intentions so I want to protect children I'm just not sure we're all talking about protecting children as
Much as we're protecting our feelings around protecting children if you there's more context that somehow changes that unless it's like and that's what my friend said to me before I never talk to him punch him in the [ __ ] face you know and I'm not defending vosch by the way because I
Don't watch vosch and I think I can't stand him I'm just saying and I'm more in El eth inside I would trust them with my children way more than I would trust fos with my children obviously I
Would definitely not trust fos with my kids but Ethan and Ela I know would protect children more than anything um but at the same time I'm just I'm explaining why it's important to have the Nuance takes because we want to protect kids but it's very difficult to do this because like there's
So much more that goes into it right oh then I'd like to see it we were checking before the clip so maybe you're right maybe after he says that because I go that far after I went more before
Then I buried him and hid the grave and then I said Psych on opposite day right true okay wait hold on we have a new clip of Vos Discord says Vos is very hypocritical though given this clip oh no
Doubt bothers me as people who pretend there's no relation is that Mr goship whatsoever between like drawn Lolly [ __ ] and actual attraction to children oh oh this is where he gets up and leaves the discussion with Mr girl isn't it there of course there's a relationship between those things
Ridiculous to pretend otherwise so they need to be aware of that if anything are you wait oh uh are you saying that someone send this to Ethan based on common sense or is there any evidence of that I think it's categorical I think that the fetishization of Youth to the extent that you're
Fetishizing the bodies or mentalities of underage people is categorically harmful uh because even if even if somehow and I don't know if there's any research indicating this even if somehow you could find that there was Zero correlation between any criminal Behavior there at all and
Uh you know the the widespread consumption of of HTI laicon whatever you know I um I still think that uh it it it normalizes quite negative thing the thing that bothers me is I mean I guess that
Kind of coincides with his ultimate argument but does make okay so I think that coincides with his original argument but also contradicts the fact that it's in his folder so then the question is does he have Loi in his folder and some Bosch people would say he doesn't but I looked at the
Folder from what I saw from the six photos the last photo was definitely Loi so maybe this is just a different perspective but if I was in his shoes uh and generally thought I was trying to get
A pedo onto my stream to tear into him I wouldn't act like he did at all all soft and coing and non- accusatory it's just content like it's just keemstar I got to show the DMS now the Way's that
Wasn't that was um Mr girl talked to vosch what guys a couple years ago now I don't even know how long it's been maybe a year um like one year two years ago I don't even remember because like
Vosch leaves that discussion because Mr girl gets fed up oh no no vosch gets fed up with Mr girl talking about under each people right character is [ __ ] weird the most frustrating part of this discourse is that I was literally probably just thinking oh wow big meaty dick big
Hefty short stack getting [ __ ] big dick you're an adult bro it's time to [ __ ] like not why are you talking to your fans about this too like dud mild he talks with his fans and Discord about sex
So much it is so [ __ ] up you're trying to be like a political streamer why are you talking about yeah he's trying to be a uh who's that that Democrat guy who got disgraced Anthony weer he's
Trying to be Anthony Weiner stop Anthony Weiner was my God what a moment he actually got he was sending weer right I remember that's all I know about him kind of interesting dude that that dude
Had it all I forget who his wife was but she was like a f like a beautiful famous successful woman uh she was Hillary Clinton's um best friend in campaign or campaign manager yeah and then
He sent dick pics to like a minor right maybe not campaign manager but like her her right-hand woman I don't remember but at any he's lost everything like photos Affair and and I remember right before it happened people were really feeling him like this guy could be president and all I remember
I me yep I was very involved in politics then [ __ ] but anyway I and Anthony Weiner seems so tame now with everything everything coming out around everyone else you're like oh never mind gav the next few years Gabby baby's my boy he's going all the way he's my liberal savior that's what I'm
Saying you think he's gonna expose or he's gonna be PR one or the other okay Ethan is a prude Ethan and Ela are both prudes for sure not as prudish as conservatives but they're definitely more prudish
For sex positive people they're pretty prudish yeah is there two PA which I think is great I love how compatible they are in their prudishness I agree though uh s says true it came full Circle doesn't Mr girl call his audience horses too wait that's so true wow vosha Mr girl should
Have gotten married Bro Gaby baby's on his way depends if he's Dan's next Target or not that's right that's right let's see what's in the folder Gavin that's right so he says uh and now I have to
Endure a million scholars in my community arguing the philosoph philosophy of Lon hey bro it's time to start taking uh responsibility how old is this guy like we can't just be like oh I just thought
It was fat meaty dick and no bro it's time to leave that [ __ ] in the past and start owning your actions exactly he's 29 you're almost you're almost 30 man time to grow up dude 29 but I even
Like the way that he's engaging his audience on Discord in the sexual manner this is something well established in the past few years that creators should not be doing this because it's inherently imbalanced and it's just I don't know if that's true I think it's true like I wouldn't
Want to marry a fan fan I think that's true but I do think in this space like you you don't I think that's true I think you don't want to marry a fan right um because that's weird like I couldn't I'm
Glad yeah I don't you don't want to marry a fan but not everybody in your community is a fan you know what I'm saying like sometimes people I have people in my Discord that don't even watch
My content I have people who pay for my for my Discord just to meet the community they don't give a [ __ ] about me oh and most of my callers don't even watch my content half of them are like
What have you been doing on YouTube Lely and I was like wow you don't even watch my content anymore so like some people like they don't engage with a content creator in the same way but then they're
Obviously like fans like I've definitely met people that I'm like okay this is like I have to have boundaries with this person cuz like I'm a content creator and then there are other people
That like you know you know but at the same time I don't think it's wrong for people to like have sex with people in their communities I think the question is like what role do they play in the
Community right so inappropriate yeah and so this is happening in plain sight and apparently because everyone knows he's a pervert nobody should get to criticize him for it anyway he says but to be
Fair klac did have not great things to say about Vos so maybe he's a little sex best I don't know stay focus on my channel stay grounded and lean to pretend they've done some digging and unearth
Some huge dirt on me when it's like the first [ __ ] you see Googling my name and it's been addressed bu the billion times yeah I mean I guess it needs to be it needs to be addressed a billion
And one times because I still have questions pretending it's B some big secret I've been hiding from everyone is a rhetorical tactic to convince Their audience that have no defense or context to provide and I've been relying on secrecy bro you are like delusional I don't
Even know what to say anyway I'm not talking to Ethan only after making Vos is weird though but Vos Hass and Stephen all have like problems with their egos for sure but at least even wouldn't [ __ ] out of a debate damn right but they all have ego issues obviously they have really hard
Time admitting they're wrong I don't know why we're all surprised about this clire I wasn't going to talk to his disingenuous ass his final DM to me was the standard oo get help you're sick
Proving it again that his ewo what do you mean I was bad faith please come on for Content Act was completely transparent what I and he's not getting his content he returned he said uh and as
Soon as he knows he's not getting his content he returns to the standard regarded low IQ bad faith smar ship this guy apparently right he by saying if this guy thought I was a p he'd be talking to
Me in way terms and he wouldn't be speaking nice to me and then at the end of conversation when I started speaking to him in a more Stern tone he go it's not about thinking you're a pedo vosch it's
About wondering if you're a pedo you do not want to be seen as one so did he want Ethan to jump to that conclusion and accuse him or does he want Ethan to kind of tow the line which is better
Or worse at least Ethan's giving Vos a chance to clear his name in some aspect I mean Vos has not done himself a service so like you know what I'm saying like why like vosch does not want Ethan to
Come down hard and say he's a pedal that's not what he wants he does want Ethan to go soft on it so he has a chance to retort right am I crazy goes oh I now that proves you're disingenuous you
You you have you're in a pretzel dude a pretzel of horse hair man and HSE is expensive you know that's a Prem product also like if you're trying to discuss coming on the show there's a difference
Between just being polite polite and Cil of course then like I don't know what did he expect for you to just be like shouting at him from the beginning of the conversation said to him I said what do you
Expect this I don't you what I mean it's not how I talk to anybody uh I mean kind of vile snake he calls me uh un un undisputable anti-Semitism not even debatable the number 19 the 1900s the
Century the Holocaust happened in you got I got questions Buddy aash says he he actually having a mental breakdown or does he normally do this uh well both um both sounds like this has always been Ethan saying he cracked gold with stepen Crowder but M well okay getting a little credit
There and some dubs in the chat frustrating but it is cool being the only Saint and normal person I guess that is so delusional he should talk to a therapist he hasn't F off it's kind of what I
Said like bro get get I mean my advice was him was this admit that you've done something wrong and that you and go talk to a therapist about it and try to like actually address it and then I think
There's people that will forgive him and continue to watch him if he but I mean clearly there's a lot of people that actually like him the way he is right which is what's blowing my [ __ ] TI
Off how many subscribers does BOS have this is all just whatever he he continues to [ __ ] cry people want to hate you they will it's like just this is so much like victim oh Vos has a much smaller
Channel than I thought he had he has 466,000 140 not that it matters much but like okay I thought he had a much bigger channel in my head I don't know why live vosch reaction post H3 podcast after
Party 100, 40 he mean he has good views 200,000 views 150,000 views 900 he's got good views okay so Vos has like a consistent Community oh 45,000 views 53,000 views that's still pretty good yeah he's like a good mids Siz Channel okay 880,000 160,000 100,000 200,000 okay yeah I don't know
What to call it yeah culture yeah I thought e DM he became he came across insanely snakish so oh my God there's so much of it okay I resed my invitation for Ethan to talk on my stream
Because after doing a completely unprompted vile what do you guys think Ethan has how much does Ethan have almost three million subscribers do you think it'd be bad for Vos to come on because I still feel like it would be better for Vos to come on than not come on character assassination
For two hours he was playing Dum DM saying he was surprised uh I thought he acted in bad faith and wanted me on his stream to provide my opinion if he cared about opinion when you reach out
Before dude you don't apply this logic to any debate you've ever had in your life and then I checked his inst story and while he was doing this innocent routine in DMS he was calling everyone
Defending me ped I mean yeah I was been doing that for like two days straight if you didn't see it that's not my fault what um okay I don't want to read anymore this is boring yeah yeah so
Should I read the DMS does anyone care maybe just I me let's move on you show them so people who are interested could read it but we don't have I feel like I can already understand how the conversation
Went social blade says he lost 5,000 subscribers okay that's not too bad I mean it's probably best to lose subscribers and then to gain new ones right I don't think we show it and there's so much still yeah I mean it's it's basically let's see I just think it's funny how he characterizes
Some things in this but okay whatever let's move on we we have too much to cover so now that I've covered all that background oh my God let us as he says Poison the Well with fresh natural beautiful
Purified Spring Water Truth by the way so now I'm going to paint a picture in totality why do we say he is uh uh trying to excuse pedophilia the people are demanding the DMs I mean I again I
Don't mind showing I just want it to be boring I don't know I mean that's why I saying show people could pause and read it you just show it you don't have to like go through it all I I don't
Think it's going to be that interesting I just think his the way he characterizes stuff is really [ __ ] dumb also he said by the way one of the DMs I Ethan can share the DMS if he wants so he gave
Me permission nice not kiss let's just [ __ ] chew them out so as you can see on Instagram I'll try to blast you this Bailey says Brit I want you on H3 but I also don't because you're the only
Thing I gay keep stop right now I would love to but also you know but is it morally wrong for me to gep you I mean you know I would love to but I also love H3 and H3 so I probably wouldn't be as
Like argumentative I'd probably have like too much fun with it I just think like they're all well-intentioned people but I think everyone is I actually am really upset with Vos for Ping out of this debate because I think it was like an an opportunity Ethan gave him plus Ethan like loves
To spar man I wish I could fight with Ethan we could have fought over ab and preach that would have been fun but nobody are you guys posting my videos in their in their Reddit that's the
Question are you guys a good cult and posting my videos in their Reddit so they could see me they you should send them the video where Abba sends me the deleted video you should send them that one the biggest miscommunication YouTube history you should send them that video on their Reddit I
Could I could debate Ethan about that and be like look I know you guys all mean well get along this is our first DM combo very first would you like to call in on Monday I know the podcast guys had dm'
You but I thought I'd message you directly they sent me the DMS wow I understand where you're coming from it's pretty heated although I genely don't know what or how my comments were bad faith I'm being totally honest I don't understand and nobody will tell me what was bad
Faith about I just keep saying that I personally be interested in that convo and do promise to keep a good faith and to give you space to talk I mean that seems perfectly genuine right am I doing U cute [ __ ] being straightforward that's he he says he implies Mutual aggression okay that's
Not what I meant bro he's autistic I'm telling you right now this is autism they're both autistic but like what Ethan was so nice and then he started with he did implies Mutual aggression it's just a character assassination what St forward that's it he these autists am I doing I understand where
You're coming from it's pretty heated although I genuinely don't know what or how my comments were bad faith I personally be interested in in that convo and do promise to keep a good faith Ethan is being so nice Ethan it's being so nice you cute [ __ ] being straight what that's
It he he says heated implies BOS just replies with such a [ __ ] it would be from your end of things as if someone like keemstar constructed a massive clip show out of my out of every bad thing you've ever
Done fos does have autism I think you got yeah said Vos is UN ironically diagnosed autistic bro it's so clear that's not autism that's Saving Face I I can't believe he got mad you got to
You got to go in with joy and happiness with Ethan you just got to be optimistic I can't believe he [ __ ] up this bad Mutual aggression okay that's not what I meant idiot it's such a debate bro cannot stop debating I want to that's that's not the right word brother like come on
He says it's just a character assassination it would be from your end of things as if someone like keemstar constru constructed a massive CP out of every bad thing you had ever done real or imagine pulled exclusively from the people who you hate the whole time pretending he'd unar this
Massive closeted Pack full of skeletons in real most of the what he's waing about is's either imagined or longer dress you want it to be settled but you know it's not settled your task in this is to convince everybody that it is settled that it is all bad faith and so far you've
Done a pretty good job of convincing people in your audience and people who are fans of yours of that but I'm here to tell you you can stop the [ __ ] because it is not [ __ ] settled by
Any Mees to say it's imagined or long addressed are two very different things so one the imagined is he saying some of the stuff they yes it's things he's saying with his own mouth there's no like imagine he's saying anything about it he's putting he's doing a spaghetti Canon but
His fans somehow are buying it also it has way more weight to it what he's said in the past now that he showed his [ __ ] drawn child porn on his that's what everyone is missing L we saw
Lol saw the saw the Lolli that's why we started talking about you and your lollipops can take a [ __ ] hike to Lollipop Guild so frustrating dude it's not just regurgitating old drama it's like we saw there there's this hot shot detective he's put away hundreds of cases he's the best detective of
All in LAPD history turns out in one of the cases they discovered he tampered with evidence then all of a sudden those old cases that were slammed on so put people away all a sudden they don't look
Quite the same you have to relook at it that's what's happening BOS we re looking at it and we don't like what we see thank you I said I have no reason to assassinate your character again again
He never explain why why would I why would I do that you call my audience pedophiles you call me you call people defending me pedophiles it trors per ham content no drama o CJ says honestly and
Maybe vos's best interest to stop discussing it you think so CJ I mean maybe maybe I'm yeah maybe it is God I can't believe how he went so angry and Ethan look you call my audience pedophiles and you call people defending me pedophiles it's ridiculous pure cam content Mill drama alert
Stop I can't I can't this is the world deserves itself bro slop this part pissed me off cuz I was like bro don't act above any of that [ __ ] you routinely do the same thing you cannot High
Road me on this [ __ ] like you are [ __ ] stir you talk [ __ ] you say horrible things about people now all a sudden you're going be like no I'm not going to baate you because because uh
You know I'm above all this no you're not you're [ __ ] not by the way based I don't know that's what they say right um apparently oh it's cut off apparently though I don't see this myself
You condescended me for thinking we were on good terms again he didn't watch it he makes that very clear I did not watch any of it which it makes me wonder curious how can he be so sure everything's
In bad faith but Ethan and vosch never watch anyone's Clips in full they only think they do but they don't understand this takes a lot of time for example his characterization of this is completely unaccurate he says you condescended to me for thinking we were on good terms you
Can't blame me for that misconception all of our previous interactions were pretty positive I didn't condescend him in the video he goes oh yeah Ethan reacted like this like I would ever be friends with that ped it's absolutely not in any way um I said I was surprised that you
Thought that we were friends he said word I mean that's all so we spoke briefly twice in DM as far as I can recall maybe I Mis remembering again I'm trying to be charitable but I'm pretty but
That's all we talked look I don't blame anyone for being suspicious of me there are a lot of people out there who hate me and I also have a tendency to put my foot in my mouth uh I definitely don't
He put another things I'm not going to go there I definitely don't make things easy for people who want to defend me I didn't condescend you I just Express surprise at the senent said you're smart guy talented speaker funny I'm a fan of your content I said that several times did I say
That several times thank you he says but right now as poison dwells in bad fa go your show was actually what the well is poison you didn't watch right now you didn't watch it what you D watch it
You got to go to that well and you'll find it is pure ified gorgeous Martin approved Martin would definitely drink from this well it's got It's got the uh the minerals per I'm so glad he read these DMS these are too good I can't believe Ethan almost didn't read these DMS bro this
DM literally I can't believe Vos is I mean his ego is so big I can't believe Vos is this much this is why I knew I didn't like him see I knew I didn't like him what a [ __ ] bro I can't believe
It why is is vajan and Destiny associated with each other like look there's some people Destiny wouldn't face there's definitely some people he refuses to engage with definitely but there's no way he'd back down from an ag3 there's no way he'd back down from this it like would literally
Expose him to so many more people he could poach for his audience as well is Vos afraid of Ethan what it's got all kind they're not even the same category what he says um it's an effort at character assassination that any weirdo Nazi or keemstar type has been in the past
Again another typical execution of this excuse that like oh well Nazis and keemstar said it so clearly anyone else who shares this opinion is a Nazi or Keem star we are so far from good faith
To expect thank you Keem do it differently when I go on would be ridiculous I literally have no clue how you can call it bad faith that's why I think there's a conf to be had I'm being totally
Honest here I I you know what I mean we tried to look at the full concept of everything and give thoughtful responses I don't uh oh yeah I don't dwell in the same Internet space as you so perhaps I'm missing or misunderstanding something Ethan if you were a fan of my content
Or whatever don't you think the appropriate time to get my perspective on this would have been sometime before you the surprise 2hour mega no guys you are content creators you are content we're content I understand you try your best to reach out you try sometimes you say [ __ ] okay
But no your Conta why would Ethan reach out to Vos before making a reply the best way to get a YouTuber's attention which worked is to make content about them see if they like it then they
Can reach out or see if they are mad at you and then they reach out but if you just DM somebody you're less likely to get a reaction out of them because they don't know who you are they don't
Know the context of what you say but if you make content about people they're much more likely to watch you and then consider reaching out so like Ethan reached out to you you have an opportunity here but why would why would why do people in some spaces on the internet think they're like
Not content like I think that's what's confusing me about like the internet and like Ethan says like you guys aren't friends you're both content creators like it doesn't matter if you're a fan of somebody I'm a fan of leaf be lean beef patty or like other people you think I'm going to reach
Out to lean beef and she's just going to hit me up I'm you know what I mean like people don't people don't know us like even if it was reverse Ethan is the bigger Channel reaching out to vosch like
You know why would Ethan check in with vosch it makes no sense to check in with him it's probably the yeah here Mega where you react to everything people who hate me have ever compiled they try to
Smear me don't you think your order of events is off there's new info though no but also it's not actually great Point Jordan says Ethan is just in it for the meme exactly Ethan is just in it
For the meme so treat it like that but vosch is taking it so seriously ke everybody is taking Ethan so seriously I think ab and preach are the best people at handling Ethan which is like man
Get out of here like they're very like shut up bro like you know what I'm saying like I think Abby and preach are the only ones who truly know how to handle Ethan um they you know they're just
Like bro shut up bro like you know what I mean like they're just it's like you know even when they like but vosch and um ke and stuff they just like you know what I mean and I'm like oh my God
Relax bro that it's not like you're close friends and you're going to be like hey what's going on and also we didn't just show the compilation that was going around on Twitter we found the actual links to the original streams and shared that's what really F when I saw that I was like
Oh my God yeah everyone here spent a lot of time hunting down every single clip original like vs like what we didn't just so frustrating and before the show I'm like am I it's true but still I do
Stand on my point that in the debate space like the context could be months long like I hate to say it I know it's a different ecosystem it's very hard to understand that but context in a debate
Space could literally there have been debates I've been watching that have lasted for like years like drama that is like years long and like so much has happened between those years so if you just think like oh what happened what's going on like you're never going to understand like the real context
And you still won't even understand it because you don't know what's happening behind closed doors am I [ __ ] miss something cuz this is just making it worse I even when Ethan is serious he's unserious so true literally Hannah exactly I D if you can check the most recent ones I found
Because I'm like am am I just stupid like this seems worse and it's all so bad he continues and you've attacked my community and other streamers oh gasp you've attacked my Comm now all streamers you're coming for streamers exactly he's this principal gentleman nobody attacks my community
And then asked to debate me lollipops nobody calls us a lollipop now come children gather around me stroking as hard and fast as we can I'm always sensing a desire for more content and environment which has been constructed toy me the ability to be taken seriously I
Mean okay not sure how me saying I've enjoyed some of your videos just I owe you anything like that even your he goes even your language here is dishonest it's not a matter of owing me
Anything if you cared about my opinion on any of this you would have sought it before doing a big surprise character assassination that's just not how I would characterize all this is gaslighting bro this is like gaslighting I feel like I'm being gasl by a YouTuber I'm not even involved
In he's gaslighting Ethan if you really cared about my opinion you would have reached out to me before you like reacted to my content on stream um no [ __ ] [ __ ] like does it like doesn't this
Literally feel like I feel like I'm getting gasl bro like that's not are you you're making me feel crazy bro like I report you react I react you react I react that's how this relationship goes don't switch up the relationship now I understand where you're coming from personally I think it
Would be a good combo because I promise you I don't understand what was bad faith about my criticism but I'm absolutely open to hearing you out do I think he's going to convince me no but I'll hear him because I've heard I've already heard everything he has to say Obviously the stuff
We talked about is PR heavy I think you should have an opportunity to respond to our audience and give additional context but it's up to you obviously understand either way you didn't care about my opinion then nor do you now but your numbers were good during the segment now again
Oh my God he's like a boyfriend who got caught cheating bro he's literally like a boyfriend who got caught cheating I swear to God what is this no canell cancelled meme cancelled what whoa bro he F the ego on vosch is disgusting oh my God it's vile what they were average uh they
Were average that's so annoying we get way more views if we like juice some kind of a like Taylor Swift's thing like the Super Bowl today I mean come on dude know what's going on
We put off B oh hey ah says I remember reading the cannibal porn you wrote when I was 16 yeah I did write that actually it's gone I don't have it anymore so if anyone has a copy of it send it
To me but like yeah that was a great story bro it's kind of cringe but like also I did write that story I wrote a story about a cannibal but it was kind of like it wasn't a porn for
The record by the way it was a short story that had sex in it everybody relax it wasn't even a porn it was a short story it wasn't even meant to be erotica I just like sex in my
Fiction like every New York Times bestselling girl does okay oh my God I I didn't want to say it Jordan but I'm going to say it cuz you said it I've dated this brand of narcissist
Bro I'm just saying like Vos got an ego on him BR you know third girlfriend in the we have so many bivo updates like I can't wait to tell you guys you are a fool for thinking otherwise and to be
Honest I couldn't even post any Clips on Tik Tok as any like stuff with p word or whatever I was I didn't post a singular clip from that episode because it I Cal yeah it'si to say something we
That's true actually I've been trying to like I should be watching more like famous people stuff so I can like build my audience cuz just talking about the people in the sphere like you don't get very far you know what I mean less on average views on all platforms hello Joe welcome
To memberships thank you so much for being here it's big FR oh are we getting lots of um uh subs and stuff for my money suit have you guys like the stream yet because I'm definitely demonetized can you please like the stream it really [ __ ] helps I know it doesn't seem like
It helps but it absolutely helps thank you so much yeah we got quite a bit let's go guys fun my money suit to come stunt on these haters I'm going to fill my money suit with $100 bills we get
Uh Francisco D your name right I also I put out a new video on my off today just in case anyone's interesting no money no money no money uh somebody named Deb jesi Don 50 bucks and said I'm a lawyer
Fun fact possession of Lyon is illegal in the US per federal law oh to write a legal exper what wait really whoa wait what shout out to cam from Salem Massachusetts shout out I just spotted you know honestly I'm okay with that can I be real with you okay I think this is
Where the stance is I'm critically I'm pretty radically Pro freedom but if we had to make a law in the books that says like no lollycon is sold in the United States I would be okay with
That one I don't watch lolicon and two I do kind of feel like it's probably more [ __ ] up than anything else but what does it mean to be a does that mean like if it's on your computer I'm very confused what that means and what is lollycon see that's the problem with
Lli I don't know if everyone knows what lli is and that's what I wonder about but yeah I don't think I'd be too opposed to that but it'd be uh it'd be difficult because lots of like adults do
Like again there's like a lot of trauma recovery that works through Loi H I wonder how that would work generally speaking I think I might be okay with that but I wonder what the blowback would
Be hm up in our in our midst mcoy gave 20 bucks thank you I appreciate it I'll put that to the money suit hi then please consider going over the latest video providing context even if off stream
Aim with the Super Chat says like the [ __ ] stream and the world will or the world will never find peace true absolutely true I love and watch both of you but I am in pain that there's a lack
Of necessary contacts addressing the allegations I've seen that video man have you I'm going okay you know what I'm going to do I'm going to pull up all that [ __ ] it's all coming I'm tell I
Wasn't kidding when I said have so much to talk about I mean it's insane I actually but McCoy um I don't know what to tell you I don't know what to tell you listen I don't hate you but I do wonder
How the [ __ ] it's possible that you're still defending him but okay blah blah blah Yad y y I said with all due respect we spoke briefly and Twitter DM twice that is not what I would consider
Camaraderie I talk about a lot of things and people I've rubbed shoulders with a lot of people online there are some people I would approach privately to discuss something like this uh but just being honest our relationship is nowhere close to that I'm not being dishonest you're not
Even acting like you believe the things you said Y what if you actually cared about the gravity of your accusations against me you wouldn't be [ __ ] [ __ ] footing around with this language you be condemning me remember he said that remember he said that you're not even acting like you
Believe the things you said if you actually cared about the gravity of the accusations against me you wouldn't be [ __ ] footed what a horrible argument how was this one of the debate Lords why is he why is vosch doing this he's basically begging Ethan to call him a PDF file which could
Get his YouTube channel taken down why is vosch so stupid I'm so confused if Ethan is a huge content creator and he is over a million Subs which means he has a contact at YouTube right if Ethan like not to pull strings but if Ethan made this accusation and it stuck it actually
Worked and then vosch had to then explain to YouTube why he showed that on screen I mean it could get his channel terminated why would he take that risk why would he just engage clear his
Name publicly and hope it goes away like do you know what I'm saying like these text messages are literally like begging Ethan to make a intive statement about Vos being a PDF file I'm so confused I'm so
Confused what he wants to come have a conversation and you're showing him that this could be a polite conversation what does he want so to prove that I genuinely believe what I'm saying I need to be uh
Condemning him I I was just I was just speechless I just said what what your tone doesn't match the claim I don't know whether or not you believe you lied but unfortunately it seems I've always had
A bad read on your thoughts in feelings nothing new is Under the Sun Well the horse stuff and the LLY is this has all been discussed on my channel openly I welcome scrutin and I'm already hurt by
These lies I won't let you benefit from dishonesty twice if you'd like to come on and talk about it you may do so on my stream I don't expect you to accept I was like I accept I don't expect
You to accept and that's totally okay I'm not to your time or good faith I accept oh [ __ ] all right well hold on oh I just saw your hold on I just saw your uh stories and then now I realize
You're actually a meanie so I resend dork what I said what's the difference between your and my stream I'll call into your stream if you want to host I really don't know what you expect I
Need to be shouting at you and calling you a pedo and a private DM where we're trying to build a bridge for me to believe what I'm saying I included build a bridge for you guys just as a
Little just as a little if it came up I'm trying to keep my mind open and be receptive to you why would I be screaming and belligerent you said you didn't watch the episode I'd like to know
How you can say it's bad Jordan shared a thing that said the protect Act passed 2003 after the Supreme Court case that held that completely virtual child corn was protected Free Speech under the First Amendment as long as it does is not obscene interesting what is Vos doing
Here I'm so Vos is trying to beat Ethan why why is he trying to beat Ethan it sounds like that right well while trying to appear appear Fair why is he trying why would he take the risk
B faith without watching it and then he goes Jesus Christ dude I just checked your stories yeah right is he talking about Jesus because he did post Jesus yeah Jesus Christ I just saw him
He's super hot you're trying to balance this you do I say that right wo oo is that is that that does it look like something or is it a sound oh no it's a face face yeah a face what eye and eye
And your nose being like kind of shriv like this cute whatever right am I crazy no that's what I thought it was too but it's it's like just doing like a little noise like that no it's a cute emoj
It's both wow the bubble is does not my work make so much Clarity like it does not bring so much what a bubble what a bubble don't you just love it bro we're all so unaware of each other
We're so unaware of each other and then we like we we have these like beautiful generalizations of humans and their experience and what's normal like you don't even know what's normal dude normal is just whatever is common in your bubble what's expected Behavior it's kind of expected to know
The difference between Loli and like CP it's kind of like known to know what like the little F like it's just so don't you just [ __ ] love it bro it's transcend I think the sound came after here
Okay the sound came after this is a good episode I can tell cuz Dan's eating chips bro I want some of those chips bro salt and vinegars mhm um oh that's it okay this is me is this did you Hannah
Says I didn't know who Vos was before the stream and I don't think I'll keep up with him much after this don't he's not worth it Vos isn't worth it strike this tone to in your guys' opinion not at
All but okay so he goes you're trying to bounce I didn't know was bad faith compile a giant clip show attacking and call you and you're come on my show and let me tell me why while act D don't
Do the child talk it's not it's not now is not the time or place for that you know what I mean while actively continuing that disingenuous [ __ ] posting on your story which by the way I've been doing for like 48 hours straight yeah that's so I assumed that he had seen everything there
Oh and he may well have I'm so curious about your perspective which is why I only asked for it after the character assassination you're not owed the chance to offer explanations or context before the assassination good Lord no I think not you're free to say I pussied out or whatever you
Definitely pussied out I mean that's just that's just a fact definitely yeah that's that's just but for what it's worth I don't think I'll ever believe you didn't believe you were lying this entire time it's very formal the way he's writing Ethan isn't lying this is Ethan's impression
Because his bubble isn't like he doesn't even know what loli is like he doesn't does know how to he doesn't even know that like I mean not that he doesn't know what it is I know he knows what it
Is but he doesn't he can't he doesn't even that like he doesn't even he had to like Google what that was like they have to you're talk you're using phrases and things you're I'm GNA oh bro
Bro he literally is like you know what I mean like they're they're they're not even they're talking like with different languages almost that [ __ ] no no comma period Ethan has had to Google like 20 of the words that Vos has used yeah if anyone wants context these lives have been challenged and
Pulled apart a billion times on my channel just as disingenuous attacks against you have been on yours right okay sure we're the same me and you buddy dude you you've said [ __ ] up things why
Do you care that I have Lolly CP drawings yeah bro what are we talking about so at this point he says if you believe what you said yeah you would be condemning me and now at this point I
Can tell the conversation's done and I'm annoyed because he keeps calling a [ __ ] liar and I'm in bad faith and he's not explaining so he's being a he's being a little [ __ ] and so I said sorry
That you think I'm lying but I saw the [ __ ] in that folder it's vile it's absolutely LLY that girl looks 13 and sucking off a horse you need help man you keep trying to defend the sh
I don't think the girl well one of the girls looks 13 but the other one look younger don't people consider LLY CP um kind of depends on the bubble it really depends on the bubble so
It's not like loli is very specific it's not like when I think of CP I think of kids like real kids I think of people I don't think of anime I don't think of like an art drawing of a realistic like
You know what I mean um and LLY also doesn't involve like children you know what I mean it involves art like a pencil so CP is like children I think of children you know what I mean like a
Victim like a VI victim was a victim nobody's a victim in Loi it's just you have the depictions does that indicate something about you right so it's sussy but it's not CP [ __ ] you said and
Cry that it's out of context but it's not there's piles and piles more of it that further reinforces everything seek help bro please is generally not Norm looking at that [ __ ] specifically the super
Young girl stuff point to me one lie I told no no no see rock rock says I don't know if it's my autism but H3 would generally be among the some of the last places I would go to genuinely clear
My name no no you don't go to Ethan to clear your name you go to Ethan to ask a bunch of interesting questions to see Ethan show how little he knows about the subject which means the miscommunication
Comes from that little understanding right so it's like that thing like if I went on Ethan I was like why do you think I said that he because you said this I'm like why do you think I like the question
Would be like what do you think that word means the problem is I don't know if Vos is nervous CU he just got caught are we watching one of the biggest debate Bros actually get caught doing the
Thing that Ethan is kind of subconsciously saying he's doing and that's why Ethan or that's why Vos is doubling down like that's what I'm saying okay meta is Vos actually about to like become is he
About to be outed is that what we're watching is that why he's doubling down so hard or is he actually being a debate bro like I'm I'm actually concerned now that Vos you know what I'm saying like is that what's happening right now because if that's what's happening right now then Ethan just
Blew the lid off one of the most like the debate sphere is going to remember this forever right but if vosch doesn't think it's true why wouldn't he use this as an opportunity to get bigger like why
Is he freaking out you know and a part of me is like oh wait now you're acting suspicious CU at first your community was just defending you but now now I don't know what's going on do you know
What I mean he's acting guilty why are you acting guilty why would you just come to Ethan and be like okay so I want to introduce you into this like World of Loi and then discuss it but unless
He's actually being like is Ethan literally about to disc which Ethan by the way might not even have any clue that's what's happening Ethan seems like he's happy to resend this whole thing and say
Like he never said it but now now I'm wondering if we're about to watch are We Live watching because this is live are we watching Ethan about to blow the lid off one of the biggest debate Bros ever
Cuz that would be quite an interesting scandal in our little bubble hold you haven't and then he stopped responding to me but what's interesting is in response to this he goes oh yeah well then
He he actually started being a dick and uh doing this [ __ ] it's like that's what I can't he wants it both ways I need to be a dick and condemn him or I need to be Po and receptive it's like shut
The [ __ ] up which is why it also sounded like he was a narcissist which is why he also sound like he was gaslighting us because that's what predators do not that I'm calling him that somehow
This was so snaky tunish like but also this but but also Imagine a snaky version of this if you could this is me during this combo I don't know I feel like I I carried myself I think you were
Professional you were polite yeah you were not harsh when you could have been and frankly the last sem was like okay well I have an opportunity to just tell this guy what I think and I'll do
That you know and but we did and you know like usually Olivia or someone will will invite people on the socials but I thought to myself I'm going to reach out to him and talk to him directly and
See if we can but that's not what happened yeah so now that we've gotten all that [ __ ] we got our U out of the way um now let's look at his um okay I put together what I consider to be the iron
Claw this is you cannot Escape oh this body of evidence that I'm about to provide there's a few clips from yesterday our Friday show which I'm going to include it's just one minute so that we
Have it all together after I show this refresher I've got tons of clips that I'm going to show you that I have not seen and that we did not wait Discord says I mean we already knew he was already
Sus cuz Destiny exposed that before but also still worked with him later on people just can't hold up their own moral uh standards it seems hopefully this time the internet listens well to be fair I don't think any of these people have morals cancel Ethan for not knowing how to say oo oo
I don't even know how to say it correctly okay um interesting so there is more okay here we go let's get into it I wonder though if people know behind the scenes something about Vos that we don't know
Maybe they do know that about him I mean we know a lot of things about people behind the scenes but nothing like this I mean nothing like this you know what I mean I I know people are just hose
Behind closed doors but I didn't know people be doing this that's crazy you know what I mean not talk about on Friday's episode and I personally don't believe any reasonable person can walk away from this drawing any other conclusion that this guy has an an an Not Innocent curiosity
And interest in child oh [ __ ] word child p word drawn or otherwise because I files top ofes swing back so that's a huge statement so let's just watch let's just watch and listen so here is a brief retelling from yesterday it's just one minute long there's some great ones in here so
I didn't want to go without them this is from the YouTube police department U we showed this yesterday but one more time consuming childn be legal I think that that would be yes more legal and more ethically consistent yes 100% listen very carefully to the exact language that I
Use I have yet to hear a convincing moral or legal argument as to why possession of child pornography should be legal the argument that I was making and I've made this argument a bunch of times you know
What's funny in this video he shows the context the guy shows the context that he keeps saying they didn't show he goes I was just saying that cart farming is [ __ ] up too whoa CJ says Vash as previously argued for reducing the age of consent and that CP should not be illegal what
I bet he has regretted those statements whoa was that like a debate bro thing or was that like a for real real for real also um what do you mean a compelling argument for like having
CP yeah I think there's an easy way to make a compelling moral argument for that why does I'm confused seems weird but maybe okay April says Bry your hair is so cute thank you so much thank you addess this poorly made argument a bunch of times here why is the possession of child
Pornography immoral people are inconsistent in that's not what you said [ __ ] you said why it's not immoral and now you're saying why it's immoral you changed your story [ __ ] their moral outrage at Commodities which hurt people when they're produced so people will laugh off cocoa butter or
Chocolate or um you know or or Cobalt or other you know products that we tend to get through a really really unethical system but then they're really really quick to denounce childood now you'll yeah we've talked about this in great yesterday it's just so dumb this man thinks he's like this
Incredible debator I guess what I got to products that we tend to get through a really really unethical system but then they're really really quick to denounce child now yeah it's because okay again getting punched in the nose is better than getting graped and if you think otherwise that's
Your opinion but child corn is worse than slavery to make batteries like cuz again one has violence one has violence and sexual violence so one has less harm the one that has less harm is less bad
But they're both bad obviously the world is built off slaves we know this the whole world we're horrible humans are horrible little animals okay the sexual violence has two issues he said immoral yes well the problem is like morals are are personal and ethics aren't so like ethics are for
The society so like is he arguing like personal morals or societal ethics confused you yeah we've talked about this in great detail yesterday it's just so dumb like this man thinks he's like this incredible debater I guess if you're trying to defend CP I guess that's probably as good of a
Defense as you can mount it's not a easy position to take but clearly the prod the production of Commodities like Cobalt and cocoa butter can exist without the exploitation of children yeah or
People it can be made humanely it can be and well it can be and then if it is that's why all these celebrities are trying to work with like humanely sourced like coffee beans said it he said tends to
Be there's no Humane CP although he He suggests there is yeah see where would the Humane CP come from like CP not being Loi Loi is drawn I don't give a [ __ ] I'm talking about CP which means a
Child had to be there so where how how's that like victimless and even if like what there's another problem sure does never be able to find a clip of me saying that I think it's good to have childn
Should consuming childn be legal yes 100% please please right now should consuming child P be legal yes should consuming it be legal what what what now uncuck your dumb [ __ ] liuck [ __ ] sjw brains and recognize this empirically correct
Fact that I about to spit is possible for an adult and a child to have a sexual relationship and for it to have positive outcomes child as well na I've been looking for the um context of
That one if you somebody has it please send it because I really again I don't know where where that could possibly go uh other than being likey so there we go we're caught up on yesterday now
Buckle up I think his Humane quote view is when CP already exists yeah but it's not good Studies have shown the recycle like the recycling of old CP is still as harmful for children so absolutely
Not right so even if it's old CP I don't think it's ethical to consume or circulate that CP even if no new CP is made you cannot recycle old CP you are watching the violation of a
Child you are watching the violation of a child a real child no a real real child you are watching a real child no cancelled no even if it's recycled even if it doesn't involve a new child you are
Still consuming it you are watching it you freaks like no you can't ethically I know everything is made up and our ethics are made up but like no no I'm GNA no no absolutely not absolutely not
You freaks how can you guys ready here I'm just gonna give you the strongest one two punch combo I've ever done on anybody on the internet here's clip one right now we've all Jered the at some
Point or another we've all well you don't have a penis we have allit we have at some point in our lives been going [ __ ] crazy on some HTI sight and we've been [ __ ] stroking as hard and fast
As we can and then after we we go back look over our history chat and we go like oh jeez oh boy some of these girls looks pretty young okay I don't give a [ __ ] all right that um
No we haven't why is this man so shocked that you are speaking about him know that's that's what I don't get I feel like I'm being gas lit I think there is like a some okay I think there is
Some like post nut Clarity thing that you get and you're like okay that was weird like I guess for sure like I think like again um when you're going for like certain types of like ways people speak
Or certain kind of porn Dynamics like you know step sister step brother [ __ ] and stuff like that you don't really want it to be with your real siblings or step siblings but maybe the porn adds
A dynamic to it that's like interesting and you're like oh my God that's so weird but like obviously like people are into what they're into but I I don't I don't know okay you know how people tell
On themselves like I was listening to like rap songs and like you listen to lyrics and you're like wo like there's like grape rap songs like for real for real and you're just like in the music
And you're thinking it sounds so good and then you like listen to the words and you're like and then you find out years later like these people were doing this for real for real and you're like oh
My God people really tell on themselves and we just don't listen because we don't want to admit that people we like are doing [ __ ] up [ __ ] and that's why I say like values over loyalty cuz I
Love you I love my inner circle I love the people of my life but values over loyalty okay I you know values over loyalty I'm so sorry I'm so sorry but I'm not sorry like I can't like I values over
Loyalty okay that's just it girl so again I think people expect loyalty because the world has been loyal to very shitty people and we will do it for business for other things you know what I mean um
Interesting bunch of pedophiles you're being gas lit 1 million th% like dude what the [ __ ] these are the boldest statements I've ever heard and I can't believe it I can't believe his audience didn't push back more they agree though a lot of them agre it's it's disturbing it's I'm
Happy we're talking about look I don't mind the themes I've I don't watch porn anymore really like I haven't I just use my imagination or like I'm obviously like making love to my husband so like
I'm not really like you know but you know when I do I do like consensual non-consent I do like kind of power struggles I do like hair pulling I do like watch a lot of hentai I don't care how like
The high school depictions or the college cuz I just age them up in my head anyway but I do not do loli like if they're really young looking I get grossed out so like but if it's just like a
Generic anime person you know it's even better if I don't see their faces can I be real with you I like my porn dirty focus on the genitals I don't even need to see your faces that's how I love my
Porn I don't even like to see the whole body I don't even need to hear voices just give me the genitals that's all I need to see like I'm a very like animal you know but stopped watching it a
Long time ago uh just cuz like it didn't feel good anymore I guess I don't know not that I'm against it I love I love I love corn I love only fans I love all these things um I'm a sex worker like I
Love this [ __ ] like masturbate have fun but I do think you need to have a healthy relationship with these things and remember to have a healthy relationship with these things make you know consume consensual art as much as possible like if you subscribe to like my only fans know that I'm
Happy to be there but I stopped watching like porn production porns because I was worried that people didn't really want to be there anymore after all the stories kept coming out about these women
And men not even wanting to be there I was like I can't so I try to like support individual content creators that seem really happy to make their content but even then like I said I'm probably
Just supporting you to support your your work I I haven't masturbated to something visual in a very long time um that wasn't henai and even then it's been even longer you know I just I'm okay with you
Watching themed things that are stuff you would never want to happen in real life okay we've I've all I've watched werewolf porn okay I'm not here to judge you I'm just here to say that I really
Don't want that to happen in real life thank you so much okay thank you so much about it thank you me too because I mean hell what the hell is this [ __ ] you know these people are just living out
In the open in the daylight they're just out there being being being there [ __ ] up no not on my watch no more day or more Daylight that was the analogy from the beginning more light he makes
The active choice to to defend CP or to defend the philosophy of CP so you 1 million have the ability to speak on it on your platform no but that's not what he was doing he was saying Cobalt's bad right
Cobalt Cobalt we were trying to make a bigger e capitalism's bad capitalism I take it all back um go on uh so I mean this clip is pretty stunning we not we go back look over our history chat we
Have not that's a you experience brother oh boy some of these girls looks pretty young okay I don't give a [ __ ] all right okay so that's vosch and now that's the one punch okay now here's the
Two punch what do you guys make of this so he says I've jerked off to L basically and I've gone back and seen like wow those girls look young now let's listen to this one and tell me how much room for
Da is left go ahead uh oh it's the Mr girl clip it's the Mr girl clip uh oh unmute this is the one we just watched wasn't it your cuck Li ears nice okay next question simulated childn LLY Lolly
Stuff uh I think it's pretty sussy I think that if you have an interest in that sort of stuff you should definitely be checking yourselves to why you know like uh the thing that really bothers me
About this [ __ ] apart from the fact that anytime you want to look at like hentai on a hentai site you have to like negate the tag LLY and th 50% of the sit's content the thing that bothers me is people who pretend there's no relationship whatsoever between like drawn Lolly [ __ ] and
Actual attraction to Children of course there's a relationship it's ridiculous take it from me that's the end okay well that's it that's it I mean he basically he's right therefore he just did like a um transitive property therefore I want to [ __ ] kids like it's pretty it's like a C damn
Equation he says I watch L and people who watch L want to [ __ ] kids the thing that bothers me is people who pretend there's no relationship whatsoever between like drawn Lolly [ __ ] and actual attraction to Children there of course there's a relationship between those things
Ridiculous otherwise so they need to be aware of that if anything are you uh are you saying that based on yeah he's actually debating I think this guy's actually a in a confessed self-proclaimed pedophile so he's thought I want to engage in a debate in great faith and good fun with this man
But Ethan no he's gone two far right whole thing is just total [ __ ] there's no [ __ ] high road you debate people you disagree with all the time well EV he doesn't disagree with this guy my God
True not much of a debate I guess so um that's the one but now there's more listen to this take and tell me what you think what age Android girl do you think I'm sorry if I maligned the last guy
I think I was misspeaking I think it was this guy but I don't know do you have details that is the same guy they this is the same guy oh no Mr girl showing up on Easter guys doesn't this I feel like
Oh my God the bubbles are colliding the bubbles are colliding Ean not at his desk what or is he I'm I'm not sure what did you you just accused a person of being a ped when they weren't he might
Have been it was one might have been oops no he might have been it was one of these guys you just aren't sure which one they're the same guy they're the both Mr girl but he doesn't know this it's the
Same guy he can't tell Jews apart he's Jewish get it that's a joke that's a joke me but I don't know making that clear I'm making that clear I thought they look like the same person I didn't know if
It's the same person then I'm in I'm good I thought it was but yeah let me find out but I mean listen I'm not not talking about this guy if it's not him he has done it listen we love him
I don't anything about him yeah let's let's fact check that and while I'm loving him the average American man would be most attracted to which hypothetical strip club would be the most crowded
If they all open tomorrow I think it would be some hold on this guy it is I'm 100% right and he proves it in this clip okay let just keep watching so the question is let me start it over I don't
Want you guys to miss a second of it okay good do you think I'm good I'm good the average American man would be most attracted to which hypothetical strip club would be the most crowded if they all
Open tomorrow I think it would be somewhere no I think it'd be somewhere from 14 to 17 I don't think we this [ __ ] Okay wants to [ __ ] 14y olds I honestly think we should just kill all the men men do protect men like I said go home and ask
Your Bros how young they would do it go ahead ask them if you're so brave okay that is a child it's 14 well he would say he's saying that most Americans would he's projecting it onto Society there's no way that's true he's obviously representing his own his own
Um it'sing desires there's no [ __ ] way the majority men walk around wait until they found out about Australia see y- old strip that's disgusting bro even as a 14-year-old you could ask me what my ideal girl is and I would think an older woman right that's a very good
Point it's crazy what are we do about all the men I can't imagine somebody saying 14 14 or 17 that's disgusting he only said 17 well 17 is bad too but M he's like listen when by the time you're mid 20s
You're you're damaged goods so gross but okay so here's the next guy's response big difference I have no idea and I couldn't even begin to think by which categories I would separate them you have a
Number I think it's I think it's 15 so his friend here says I'll be more specific it's 15 so higher than Vol well higher and lower it's like the mean right but but if he says that I want he's
Saying I want a [ __ ] 15-year-old kind of that's I mean I'm good right with what I said I'm seeing the dude introduce himself in debate by saying his YouTube was banned for CP and he wanted to discuss
It yeah baby and talk to him for 90 minutes see I know what I'm talking about you guys got [ __ ] on me what but Vos is like let's get on with the guy who got banned for promoting CP that'll be
A great conversation oh but [ __ ] Ethan he was mean to mying he was mean to my community right buddy that's why you don't want to do it so he says the average American man wants to [ __ ] 14
To 17y olds and then he also says an interesting take boy another one that I just don't know where the F yeah Den says he's left this quarter which is kind interesting it's so funny at least their
Voices play the O boy that you keep playing oh boy doesn't have one that's like exactly the same thing I think he okay great okay here's another one are you okay there are we have a lot
Sh play them both okay okay and then the other one oh boy yo I'm so hungry and they're making that look so good bro who telling you it's like the same same duding honestly okay okay
Holy [ __ ] no that's the tonal difference he he quarterings up and then Vos is down okay may we could do okay maybe they can harmonize oh boy oh boy oh my God that's amazing right go ahead BOS
You know it's going to be he he's hesitating you see this he's like like think about the whole red pill manosphere that's like oh like as close to 18 as possible no women over 22 you know what I
Mean like all of that is like I think adjacent to being interested in kids for like really gross reasons um but then again like okay that's why I say look I have a very complicated family background but that's why I always appreciated my parents saying things like date people very close
To you date people within 5 years of your age like date people people who grow up with you who know you who know your hobbies who know and not that I'm saying you have to do this I'm just saying
Like I appreciated that my parents um they're like six months apart literally um and they're now in their mid-60s and they're just like date somebody who like has things in common with you you know to mitigate harm and I know again we're talking about young people assuming you get married young
You know if you're in your 40s like you can date a seven-year-old I don't give a [ __ ] okay if you're 30 you can date older I don't give a [ __ ] but when you're younger you know like again I'm
Not I am moralizing it through my own values but I'm I'm just trying to say you do you but it's nice it's kind of nice that this idea of like you know five years depending you know you know I get
It but it it's like kind of sussy when I watch these guys on Tik Tok be like oh yeah I'm 36 I did an 18-year-old I'm like why why you know like I would almost understand if it was just sex if
It was just sex I'd be like okay I don't care but the fact that it's like I want to like have a life with them I'm like why what do you have in common with an 18-year-old cuz sex is having something
In common with them and even then that's granted girls like I don't know they're so young you know I just I don't know take well you okay there are we have a lot um how do I how do I put this does
Anyone else get the feeling that like men at least in the west are kind of like Tau to be kind of a little pedophile a little bit with how excuse me I've never thought that but no I don't
Think so I think in the west they're generally the opposite I think known in Japanese culture I mean there were Republican like candidates who recently were found out that the problem is like look I don't want to like not talk about history and how it is pretty common and was pretty common
For a long time for love marriages not to be the focus but now that we have love marriage options it's interesting so again I don't I don't think I think it's kind of disingenuous to act like Americans in recent history were not dating huge age gaps or marrying off their
Children when it's still is legal to marry off your children now the age of consent in a lot of places is 16 the age of consent in Europe a lot of the time is 15 or 14 so I I think we're
I think we still need to have conversations about that and and like every Community is going to have a different idea of what the expectation of sex is but look my whole life my parents were called
Prudes because they didn't want us to have sex in high school okay like we were considered prudes as a family because we weren't allowed to date in high school even though we all secretly dated to some extent and I think that's something that's interesting where my parents wanted to protect
Us from predators but people thought we were all prudes because they thought it would be cute if people dated but they were trying to avoid teenage pregnancy but also like potentiality for Predators right and so there's something about that like I do think it's weird when freshmen and seniors
Date because like they just left middle school and you're going to college but also I can understand why it might work but also I assume you're going to break up after you leave for college because it makes no sense for somebody in college to be dating somebody who's a sophomore in high school
Like what are you what are you doing but at the same time there are so many cultures in which this age Gap is not the biggest deal but then again my brain is like well just wait until they're
A little older but then people don't want to do that and so there's like so many things that to be true this is very layered how old would you let your kids date who are they allowed to date what
Age group are they allowed to date and if it's just temporary why are they dating at all like if it's just temporary like why are we dating at all right and then there's always there's so many things that go into this conversation that it's very more pedy but Western culture is some I've
Never got that impression me neither I mean if can you provide an example Dan well the thing that's got me I mean we do have like an entire generation of people that were raised on the Disney Channel
That was being run by this pedophile guy and all these young girls that have been sexualized and they all abuse drugs and burn out with all kinds of problems and everything I think that there is uh at least but that's the reason I wasn't like speaking up is because like Western Civilization
It's like that's such a stupid [ __ ] term first of all it's like what what does that really Encompass are we talking about I guess I'm just thinking more like American culture sure there
Is like some weird [ __ ] there but like you said I mean uh all the LLY stuff in Japan is quite a bit more overt than anything we get in mainstream American culture well I mean you look at England
You look at the ration of like Jamie although I guess what I'm saying like yeah all right let's see well let's see he'll explain not to mention kids need to be protected and for most of human history they absolutely haven't been and that's just the truth the entire country of France all
Pedos miss you sometime a baguette is not a baguette bag wasn't the movie oh people saying Nickelodeon right Dan Schneider was Nickelodeon but all the Disney Channel kids just I don't they all out fine they all turned out great but what that I don't I don't think they're baiting
Adults to want to [ __ ] the yeah I think that's just more creepy um he's saying it's taught in society yeah taught I missed that day of school Tau specifically yeah no but I wouldn't take it
So far like some people feel like if you shave down there you're like secretly a a pedo I don't believe that [ __ ] I just [ __ ] hair itches [ __ ] and I don't want it down there but like
I think some people people might desire a hairless woman because of their own like perversion but I don't think it's wrong to not like hair you know what I'm saying so I think there's like that conversation about okay what because there is definitely a PDF file energy to a lot of the
Media we consume to a lot of the born we consume but to be fair there's all you know okay here's my ultimate Theory human beings are so traumatized from being these little creatures evolved over
Time that a lot of our media is a reflection of us as a whole and we are attracted to trauma 50 sheets of gray sold out so quickly because women don't know how to ask for passionate sex without
It being given to them through like an abuse story um like men don't feel like they're being seen or like even heard in terms of like sexual desires and they're afraid and they feel ashamed for
Wanting to do interesting and unique things we see so then they like reach out to like robots and Ai and maybe they don't have relationships or maybe there's like so many things that move into all
Of these things but I think ultimately like all of it is like very traumatic which then begs the question are the religious conservatives correct that when you like are a healthier person you don't want porn and sex and stuff maybe I don't think so though I think you can be healthy and
Want to engage in porn or watch porn but I think in order to have a healthy relationship with porn you have to like go through a lot of hurdles of self-discovery so I do think like we want
Um toxicity and Trauma because we don't know any better but I'm telling you you can know better so you can want something different but I understand that not everybody's also on that Journey so I feel like there's something to this where like we're so traumatized that we don't even know we
Can have another option it's again I will always remember the conversation of like are you afraid you'll be bored in your marriage because it's a healthy relationship the world is in so much pain and I and I think we should remember that right like fetishizes young girls and stuff I mean I
Think you'd be lying if you said that doesn't do that but I don't okay I don't know I'm not here to defend Western Civilization I just don't think that that's like a a prominent feature of our
Culture all I know is when I first got a phone I looked up JLo Sexy D I wasn't looking no I I think it is though if you look at Seinfeld or you look at um any of the movie stars who have dated
Minors or even like and look I'm willing to I'm willing to say there's adolescence there's trauma there's a reason these men never grow up so they date younger women I'm willing to say they're all
Immature and [ __ ] stupid but we do praise them we do lift them up we do shoot the tabloids we do ignore the age differences we sexualize kids in Hollywood movies all the time and everyone
Goes oh it's just the art is it or are we all just the worst people on the planet like what are we doing why are these kids in these films why are we letting them act and honestly we're
Letting them act because I do think there's like a perversion to society oh my God I sound like a religious person I hate everybody I literally sound like my mother but like my mom was right I
[ __ ] hate this my mom was right she would cut all Hollywood and she's like Betsy there's bad things happening in Hollywood I'm like no they want to be there and years later we're hearing all of these childhood actresses were traumatized all of these people have [ __ ] problems men and
Women and parents are still willing to put their kids in movies and in Hollywood like he's just he's best what he's saying though that Maybe not maybe not trying to justify himself weirdo and Western Civilization is like not a concrete thing it's
Fault what we really talk it's not my fault I like this [ __ ] yeah he's just like oh I was just this when growing up it's not my fault dude come on it's not your fault I
It might not be maybe he was abused I don't know it's not your fault we don't and by the way the churches are not free of sin obviously they're some of the worst people when it comes
To child Predators I don't think anyone will it's crazy oh boy oh boy okay okay boy boy the the I'm confus I'm confused about um like what is it no it's empty no no it's empty I'm confused
About like what motivates pedophiles do they just find kids attractive or is it like the power and control and dominance and like the destruction of Innocence I think it's more that that's what I
Think too so you can't so that makes more sense to me there's I mean I really don't know enough about it like the psychology of it all but I feel like it could be both searching for on the situation
But I think it could be both my question is a lot of people go listen you can't control who you're attracted to right just don't act on it he said that however get therapy if it if what turned
You on is literally the exploitation of them and not what they look like then it is your fault and it is inherently immoral there's like really no there's really nowhere to go with that not like
Man I was born this way I'm attracted to kids but I'm just gonna I'm not gonna act like like I don't know if that's a real thing if only Vos called in I'm sure he'd provide a well articulated
Thought a lot about this good point I've sort of wondered this may be a sect of it but like the whole misogynist mentality like the fresh and fits of like they want this unreal girl that has to be
So pure like I feel like that train of thought gets so insane sometimes and maybe they lead to children like honestly like what like it's not realistic what they're talking about and they just
End up hating women so I don't know I feel like that might be two different types of P yeah that's what I'm saying might they're definitely different categories but I do think that fresh and fit in
Them definitely like promote Towing the line in terms of age there this there is this guy that I'm gonna not name but because I don't know but he he always brags about having sex with 18y olds and he
Had sex with his 18-year-old that just turned 18 which is [ __ ] insane um who is it a red pill guy I could type in a chat but you know I don't want to different model like 100% whatever I don't give
A shout out 1000 go ahead BOS sh and young girls does anyone else kind get that feeling a little bit just smidge possi not like every a pedophile and I don't believe that but like the way we hyper
Fetishize youth for girls is like really weird we do we do that I don't feel that way in way not like he's describing who's we not it I do think this is see this is why I say Ethan's
Not a progressive because progressives have been talking about this for a really long time it's absolutely in media it's absolutely everywhere it's absolutely on billboards it's absolutely in fashion magazines I'm not even trying to be like contrary I have it's absolutely on Tik Tock
No idea what he's talking about um it's like really infantilization yeah yeah yeah um I'm not talking like a kink thing or anything like if you're doing some weird diaper play have fun okay no but I what I mean is like in every aspect of our depiction of sexual relations between men and
Women um we almost always uh uh associate youth with desirability when it comes to women but not just youth like hold on he's saying two different things yeah he's saying oh yeah men want younger women instead of older women versus do you think everyone's taught to be pedophile right we're
Talking about adults when you say that when you say young Ethan's too dumb for this conversation but it is true this is such a where's the feminist we need a feminist who knows what they're talking about in this conversation is better we're not talking about 8-year-olds in that conversation
We never have as far as I was aware we weren't like if you're ear the beauty standards that are expected of women that's another conversation that's not pedophilia right it's not so I I don't feel like that's what he's talking about you could talk about like unfair Beauty standard
Or expectations it's just like he's trying to build a bridge between these two [Music] because they don't where's where's anuc feminist to come in and tell them about the history of what is it called guys there's a word for it PTO baiting PTO it's definitely there's a word
Doesn't realize that absolutely and and it's his continued persistence on these topics you know because people before I'd say like people like 20 to 40 are all like in a pretty conven attrative range sometimes beyond that depending on you know variety of things um but like the girls are never
Like 35 or 40 they're always 18 and what what yeah and what they're always 18 you're just saying that because you're 40 I'm 26 but then why did he say again he's not making any sense cuz he goes does
Anyone feel like we're all pedophiles no well don't you feel like they're trying to make us want [ __ ] 18-year- olds oh move the gold post why [ __ ] 18y old not a pedophile well is that that's what I'm saying look at these bubbles so we've obviously been having these discussion in
Feminist circles and queer circles and um black feminist circles because that's definitely a lot of um black feminist activists have talked about how black children get aged up but also aged down and there's something to that that I think is interesting um and then we've talked
About it in just like regular old like movie movie contexts even anime contexts I'm kind of surprised like none of them have heard about this dooy says Olivia doesn't doesn't comment on these but she was the feminist during the ABA drama bro like obviously not the right kind of feminist that's
What I mean there's so many different schools who I um I'm trying to think of like who would be a good feminist to come on and explain this to them but this is a this is absolutely like a heavily researched thing in a lot of communities especially minority communities um thanks Jay
For being here I can't handle this conversation anymore I get it it's been a long one it's been a long one but yeah I I think there is something to this that I think is interesting no not pedo
Jacketing what's it called when you like pet when you I think it's called pedal baiting isn't it when you depict women and girls consistently in movies as if it's just a story about a teenager
Girl but it's obviously so pedos can go watch it what is that called like Tik toks I swear to God guys I swear to God I have seen Tik toks that feel it feels like it was made to be consumed
By a disgusting person like they'll be look innocent like I'm just doing my child's hair but when you're watching it I'm like why do I get the weirdest vibes from this video and then I'll go to the comments and the comments are like hey this video is really weird take it off the
Internet people are going to definitely download this video I know it seems Innocent but it's not like I'm telling you there is absolutely that it's really gross and I'm like okay I can feel
It I can feel it like this isn't just an innocent video of like a mom watching like their kid it is like purposely orchestrated and I'm like what is going on like it feels very bad like every
Part of me is like no I don't like this you know I don't like it oh they need jth Butler on the podcast oh my God that would be insane they would do such a good job though I think and
They're very um accredited and like educated so I think maybe that would work um yeah Shadow be says the fact the most fashion models start at the age of 14 and have highly sexualized photo shoots bro don't get me started bro yeah I don't like that [ __ ] on the internet though guys like
I don't [ __ ] like that video like those those videos feel very sussy Baka bro well buddy nice try yeah see even the breastfeeding videos like okay natural breastfeeding I'm all about it like feminist do it but there are some breastfeeding videos where I'm like why are you posing for the
Camera like why you winking at the camera why you licking your lips and I'm like what's going on what's going on this isn't like wholesome homeschool mom like just like breastfeeding her kid this is like you know what I mean it's a Vibe and it signals to the audience like and that's why
I'm like that's what they're talking about like I do think the world is maybe Ethan and Ela are so prudish and so innocent that they're not even in those circles did I tell you guys my brother
My farm brother he was like britty Brittney I was like what he's like do you know there's a thing called the dark web I was like yes and he goes no no no do you know there's like CP
On it and like horrible things happen there and I was like yes and he was like dude the world is sick Bro I was like this guy has four kids makes over six figures and owns a home and is basically
Dead free this guy has functioned his whole life basically he's what 30 31 no just discovered the dark web like a year ago maybe it's like that where I'm like huh like maybe maybe Ethan and
Ela are just so innocent and that's so nice to be so far away from it that they're like what what do you mean we live in like a what huh what you know what I mean moving on here is uh him on his
Discord that I was telling you was just a hornet net of disgusting freak [ __ ] um he said in his disc people were saying what was that PA saying in the in the video you had cuz he had a Paul can you
Check oh was from Destiny's Discord by the way BOS was such a pervert he was a fan of Destiny and Destiny had to ban him from his Discord because of the amount of times people saying
That he was sexually harassing them oh God Desy had to ban him and that is you know what's crazy that's when Vos went and formed his own community that people were like yeah I'm going with him I'm
Going with the sexual harassment guy story it is yeah is that true wait is that what you guys were trying to tell me in the Discord earlier oh jeez oh jeez oh boy so he said he said they're talking
About sex bots well wait if the sexbot is just a toy then why does it matter if an adult [ __ ] a kid robot do that listen I think you know what I mean he's just asking questions oh that's a that's
A crazy in that last video it's asking about our Western men pedophiles and what is the what so there's yes and then there's yes but it's because society and not sure and then no and it wins yes
Because Society or 60% of the vote what that is [ __ ] and 12% what the [ __ ] 12% says yes Wow that's scary that 60% say wait what was it if a sex robot is just a toy then why does it matter
If the adult [ __ ] a kid robot because it's idy and not sure and then n and it went yes because Society or 60% of the vote what that is [ __ ] and 12% the [ __ ] 12% says yes Wow that's scary that
60% said yes because of society great Community got so he used to go by Irish latty according to chat and then he changed his names his name to kind of escape the allegations wow yeah Society that's crazy so anyway look it's like you can have a philosophical convers about can you if
You have sex with a child sex toy is that illegal however in the Contex of everything again in this if my partner wanted to have again yeah no no like I'm just I'm put it in the context of your
Real life that's what I'm trying to do and look I grow up okay I get it I grew up a deviant reading all kinds of books I went to the BDSM dungeons for my 20s I understand they're all 18 plus of
Course which is the point but I understand but like I think if somebody like if I was dating somebody and they're like hey I want a sex robot and I want it to look like it's 12 I'd be
Like cancelled like what's happening like what would be the reasoning for this you know what I mean like maybe there's a reasoning I'm not seeing but no okay I'll take it a step further I'm so sorry if somebody in my community is a part of this but I think those real baby doll
Things are creepy I think there's something wrong with you I do and I think if there's something wrong with all of us to be fair I just think we all have different traumas but I think people
That like the real baby dolls and pretend they have an infant baby but it's not a real baby I I think there's like what is it what what's your what's your problem what do you have do you have
The labotomy what's going on like I just think there's something wrong with you but I I'm not saying you're a bad person I'm just saying like something's wrong with you but maybe not wrong maybe in the ideal world you wouldn't need to fake having a b baby or maybe you have like Alzheimer's
And like you forgot you're an adult who can have a real baby or maybe you shouldn't have a real baby because like you need this doll baby I don't know there's something there same thing with this
Like fiddle says Vash is a bad person actually the title of this live stream is is Vos a bad person and honestly guys like this is hard for me cuz everyone's on a journey and everyone's going
Through it and you know but man I do not want any relationship with vosch that's for sure say says I've seen the argument that these things could prevent real PDF files from assaulting people this is the only way I can see someone doing that yes but that's the what I'm saying if you
Want one of them that's the problem so when Vos says um right here on this text message to the Reddit when or the Discord when he says well if the sex robot is just a toy then why does
It matter because it's like why do you want one that looks that way like look when you go to the D Bad Dragon have you guys ever got a bad Dragon it's like a dragon dick and it's like Dragon stuff
It's just kind of fun and like dragons aren't real it's a mythical creature it's just fun right like no Dragons Were you know hurt in the creation of Bad Dragon but when you get a robot
That looks like a child my question is like why do you want one of those when you have a dragon dick you're just like playing up a fantasy that's not even like it's not even in reality but a child
Robot's like a reflection of something that's in reality so what are we doing here you know so I would feel uncomfortable if I was dating somebody who wanted the allll then I'd be like why are we doing that like what's the point of the what's happening what are we doing what do
You what is what is this you know versus like a dragon dick I don't care about something that's mythical girl you know discour says the problem I have with the young looking sex dolls is that the sexual pathology is often escalating in the nature I worry the doll just would not
Do it any um do it anymore yeah same I wonder if it would actually help or hinder would it stifle the desire to have it more or is is it actually better not to consume it cuz some people do make
That argument like say say said before some people think consuming ethically sourced like LLY let's say might stop people from wanting real kids but maybe not maybe it makes it work worse I don't know and that's the thing we protect kids so the thing is like if we want to protect kids
How do we do that and we have to do the studies we have to hear from the pedophiles we have to hear why they even want the kids in the first place we got to understand what's going on if
They're born that way which it looks like they are okay how do we get you a pill you need how do we get you into a community of adults how do we get you away from children you know how do we
Get you away from kids mountain of evidence you can no longer give him what he asked for which is charitability the charitability window is closed unironic dude this is another one from Discord oh love uh lolx love says I thought the real born babies were created originally specifically as
Therapeutic tools I mean that could be very true um but I I if that's true then like okay so there is something wrong with the people who need them CU like you wouldn't need the tool if nothing was
Wrong but I do think it's weird that it's on the internet and I've never all the videos I've seen on the internet none of them have talked about it being used for therapy so I'm I'm not surprised if
Some people have used it for other reasons but I wonder if like I love that it's used for therapy that's great like that's awesome but the ones I've seen on Tik Tok they just like they talk
About people making fun of them for it and they say it's their Hobby and they just like it and they like the attention they get when they're on airplanes and people treat them better in line
And they get to like I've seen videos saying like oh people let us cut line CU they think we have a baby and like you know what I mean so I think some people are just like Freaks first one
Says that I'm he says do you ever wonder if anyone here has ever [ __ ] a minor while being an adult no also looks like they left the Discord deleted user by the way do you see the title politics yeah by
The way this isn't the politics Channel yeah right what is wrong with you and then another person says I try not to think about that he goes come on guys fess up who's done it confess gross he says
Lola L Lamar has definitely [ __ ] a 15-year-old okay but then so here's part two that's crazy uh they someone responds by saying I did [ __ ] an adult as a minor his response was unironically hot oh my God what the [ __ ] it's the unironically part you're really you
Know I can't is he trolling like is Vos just making jokes does he think he's being funny cuz look I've said some weird cringey [ __ ] but like it's obviously a joke I don't know
If it's is this a joke I'm trying to be so good faith here this is so exhausting like is this a joke like it sounds like he is asking you know he sounds like the guy and I'm so sorry if this this
Is not true like I feel so bad what an accusation to make if it's not real like to be totally like honest but fos sounds like the guy who is trying to ask his friends like hey so like how young do
You like them you know he sounds like the guy who does kind of like he's kind of asking hey like you know what I'm saying and I'm like what are you doing like now it doesn't feel
Like a joke you know what I mean it doesn't feel like a joke but is it a joke am I being are we being cruel are we accusing a man of doing something that's like not true or is it
Like is he for real for real it's too consistent not a one time thing the writing is on the wall I know I don't want to ignore the writing on the wall but like oh man you're really saying it and
By the way what I'm showing you guys is is a a fraction of the toity like I knew I didn't have time to show you so I just I just grabbed the ones that I thought were the strongest
I'm just imagining you and our Discord having these kind of conversations dude like this is a massive Creator is he just making an autistic joke talking to his audience like well I think again this one was what year was this 18 2018 yeah yeah yeah like he's trying to sus others
Out is he trying to like find like you know what I mean like why is he yeah why is he so obsessed with this Sage great question why does he why are you so obsessed with kids so just to
To be fair to this guy uh that was still one he was just in um destiny just okay so this is when he was in Destiny's Discord yeah he was just a normal creep he wasn't yet a thought leader of
The creep okay here he is saying that if you get CP for free you're good to go what if the offender is consuming child porn without paying for it if if you're not paying for child porn if you're just getting it there is no moral or legal argument against that that doesn't
That doesn't also like rope in you guys for the things that you have purchased I would never um make the argument that somebody who doesn't pay for child pornography consumes in any way is committed an immoral act I would never what if the offender is consuming child porn listen
As long as you don't buy it why that's crazy what a crazy [ __ ] take what a crazy [ __ ] take are people not okay I'm so sorry I'm sorry for anyone this might trigger in the audience do
You know what CP is like do you know what it is I don't know if you know what it is because when you say like I couldn't imagine it's unethical for someone to consume it you
Mean to watch a child get brutally graped like do you get what I'm saying like do you know what it is do you know what it is I don't I don't know if he knows like do you know what it is
So it's not even about the supply and demand I'm saying an individual consuming the an individual consuming the thing is unethical and immoral now it's a made up immoral I'm willing to con like concede on that cuz we're all like little evolved animals but I'm saying
Take the dog out and shoot it behind the house you know what I'm saying if you're willing to watch a child get graped truly and you don't think it's take take the dog behind the house Old Yeller Old Yeller Old Yeller like so is his argument that he's never heard a moral
Argument if you found p in the forest and watched it and no one ever found out was it bad about what's what is bad about it no one gets hurt the the kid in the video and you the Consciousness so
The kid in the video and you the Consciousness are willing to watch a kid get graped it's not about people finding out guys the harm is to you the Consciousness you are harming yourself the
Harm is that you are willing to watch a child get graped the harm is to the self and you're you're allowing the like like you are literally watching like your ability to watch it is the indication of something gone terribly wrong why can you stomach watching a child get Eng graped what's
Happening right like why like that is the harm you know what I mean so the whole idea of like oh no one's going to find out you know you found out you why do you think it's okay to consume
Child grape okay why do you think that's okay how could you stomach it how could you stomach it that's the question it's not immoral which OB I'm not even GNA have that I'm not even going to
On that because it's so obviously disgusting but then he goes well hold on actually you can buy it too but you believe that some consumerism is more ethical than others right not all consumerism is
Is equal right it's not all equally unmoral right I would I would argue that in a in a a um in the sense as to its outcomes yes obviously there are some forms of consumption that are less ethical than others but in terms of what it means for an individuals like ethical State
I would not argue there's a difference I would not argue that there is anything wrong and I see somebody dis disbelief in in in uh super chats I would not say that it is unethical for a purch to purchase child pornography or purchase blood diamonds because I don't see a major difference
Between that I do one can be produced ethically one cannot both are wrong no blood diamonds can be proded ethically that's why they're called blood diamonds both are wrong both are [ __ ] wrong I don't own diamonds I don't wear diamonds because I saw Blood Diamond the movie but like
I don't buy diamonds [ __ ] diamonds bro diamonds are not a girls best friend if they're unethically sourced I don't buy diamonds bro I try my best to harm reduce I'm not asking for Perfection I will never ask anyone in my audience for Perfection just work on harm reduction if anything don't buy
Diamonds unless they're ethically sourced don't consume CP ever different spotted why do you keep talking about it bro and again buying a computer with silicon that was mined up by literal this is Cult of Dusty they're collabing with with a vosch um Cult of Dusty has been in the sphere for a long
Time too child slaves who are worked to death and raped so more children can be born to work the next generation of slaves in central Africa I don't see a fundamental difference there that's insane you can't see a difference I was thinking about this we're talking about child slaves he's
So outraged about child slaves Poli uh police political Observer sorry says I think he means diamond produce alternative you like lab Diamonds oh yeah yeah obviously you can get diamonds that are different um Ethan is too stupid Raheem says to understand blood diamonds aren't ethical yeah
Okay well dude how dare you think that I have a a a attration to miners says to me what would give you this idea I don't know you're G stop trying to Gasol me pedophile ped and in the sense that
He's attracted to Art I see nothing wrong that I mean if the jacket fits you know mhm so he's so he's talking about child slavery horrible here's where it would be yeah Jordan says it seems like
He wants people to excuse his urges and actions by saying something like we all do this right that's how I felt with Mr girl in in Destiny I felt like I was being [ __ ] gaslit when Max called me into
That conversation with Destiny and Destiny called me in or whatever and they were and I was like I feel unsafe with Max and Max's like I wouldn't hit you I'm not dating you and I'm like I feel
It's weird that you would hit your girlfriends and then him and destiny were trying to not Destiny so much but Max was trying to downplay like people like getting fights with their girlfriend that's why I say it's a red flag when people say like fighting is normal yelling at your girlfriend's
Normal cheating on your girlfriend's normal like might be normal but it's not healthy kids so again like people might be like hey we all do this right don't tell on yourself sis because that's what you're doing no we do not all do this not unless we're toxic [ __ ] and that's the point no
We do not all do this some of us might have done it some of us go to therapy and get better some of us realize it's not okay you know what I mean when so when people go like it's totally everyone
Just does this like no we don't that's why Max became suspicious to everybody because he kept telling on himself and I guess like I don't know if I believe Max is an actual PDF file but Max is obviously like something he's [ __ ] somewhere but again I I'm so like minor divergency wants
To be really really accurate so I'm very diff I find it very difficult to call him a PDF file because I don't know the inner workings of his brain and so that's my only hesitation is like
My nerd divergency really wants to be accurate and it really kills me to be inaccurate in this way I try really hard to be open so I don't want to use this title on someone unless I'm really
Really sure um but same with vosch it's like is this what you're doing are you telling on yourself I don't know let's just say it at this point I wouldn't want to be with in a room with
Mr girl or with vosch obviously don't date vosch don't date Mr girl don't date these men stay away from them and keep your kids away from them just in case just in case just in case maybe equivalent
If to buy a diamond jewelry or otherwise you had to go outside of a slave Camp Mine and as kids are bleeding and dying and working you go there and you buy the blood diamond that's that that would be comparable because you're going there you're seeing you're there's no question there's no
Ethical way to do that you're there you're seeing it and you're deciding to buy it anyway at the price of them being slaves and being tortured or whatever whatever but obviously that hasn't ever happen the the the way that whatever I explain it all but like it's obviously whatever does that
Make sense yeah I mean they're both bad you know what I mean like it's it's just such a weird point to even keep arguing in the first place why are you so passionate about it so many times so many
Times what we choose guess my point is like he's making it seem like everyone who buys blood diamonds is there and relishing in the suffering people don't know where the diamonds come from people don't know where the co come from people don't okay that's true it's true people don't
Know where the chocolate comes from in most cases yeah in a lot of cases there is ethical versions you can buy but like is suffering and exploitation that's what it is that's what you're buying right right that's what you're buying you're buying the suffering of a child we were I think we
Were saying on Friday like this man has a phone this man has a streaming setup like he's he's he's purchasing this stuff and he knows all of the horrible things that go into creating them so I don't know where is where is the line for you like you still are consuming this horrible
Thing that's what he's trying he's trying to say it's just just as bad you know like call me up for this right and then people go he's not defending CPU well let's follow the logic he's saying eating a chocolate bar from rales is equally as morally bad as consuming CP now
What are we trying to do here because I go and buy chocolate bars in fact the most I say all of us go to and buy chocolate bars so if all of us are going and buying chocolate bars we're
Morally equivalent to the people that go and buy is Vos just trying to be like salacious is he's just trying to be like cuz sometimes I don't know I'm really trying so hard bro cuz I can't tell is
Ethan like [ __ ] blowing the lid on right now CP M and then therefore the conclusion is going and buying CP is basically like going to the store and buying chocolate bars it's it's this yeah it's this pretzel of rationalization and it seems to me that he's he's really just talking
To himself yeah right and we're still buying the chocolate bars SES isn't what makes a PDF file bad their ability to harm kids Vos seems to be Pro children being hurt in this way so it could be
Argued that it doesn't even matter at this point he's just bad maybe I don't think like what makes PDF files bad is their ability to harm kids I think what makes a PDF PDF file potentially bad is their potentiality for hurting kids um and their proclivities towards that desire and so I
Think that's what's scary the scary the question is like does vosch have this proclivity you know what I mean does he want to do this is he trying to like get his Bros to confirm in each other like
We do this right we do this right I'm like no cuz like that kind of you know I love chocolate and you could use that with anything no matter what the argument is you could say it's not ethical to
Kill an innocent person and then he could say oh well in the Army we we can Don of it all the time like it's it's just an endless you know well of nothing but no but like going in the Army doesn't
Necessarily mean death or or something you know it's there's much more happening CP the product is suffering again which is why I ask for harm reduction because everything we do causes some sort of like harm some butterfly effect of harm so again we're not asking for Perfection from society
We're asking for harm reduction you know what's a really good way to harm reduce not consuming SE it's like a really it's a no-brainer super easy don't consume that [ __ ] don't look at it don't send it to your friends don't [ __ ] talk about it like it's like neutral don't [ __ ] consume
That [ __ ] bro don't put that imagery in your head bro not even for a prank it's [ __ ] vile I watched a news documentary or like something I don't remember what it was but I was watching like a sex trafficking documentary and they didn't even show a graping guys they showed the beginning
Steps of a little girl in a gown shivering like this and a man approaching her and I lost my [ __ ] I was like holy [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm like like just that image alone is stuck in my head forever
And it's like holy [ __ ] like I didn't even see anything it was a surveillance tape you're watching a guy from an aerial position and my bra like two and maybe I'm just sensitive obviously
But I was like oh my God like I will never forget the look on that little girl's face it is embedded in my brain I will start crying if I think about it for too long I'm going to cry right now and to
Say that you can consume this like ethically no no you [ __ ] weird animal that's what I'm saying if you can consume this without feeling any kind of revulsion Old Yeller bro old [ __ ] Yeller for the sake of humanity bro right you're buying right a child being abused yeah the child is the product
It's the child suffering is the product thect and a diamond for the consumer hi him but like he's a smart guy right he doesn't need us to explain that to him he [ __ ] knows the difference and
You know what I wonder if like if this has given your career so much grief why do you talk about it so much keeps keeps going going going why is there so much of you talking about it on Discord
And videos all throughout his career and you're not even making a good argument which apparently you admit it which tells me there's passion behind it for some reason because why else else I barely get triggered about Stu but someone starts talking saying The Last Jedi was a good Star Wars movie
I'm I'm going to go back and forth with you true me like I I I thinked was a good Star Wars movie all right another another day another day put a pin in that but yeah no he's definitely on a
Mission to normalize CP draw CP the only also if you have all these accusations floating on you I mean again I'm sure he would agree it was very stupid to have all that [ __ ] on his streaming computer but that's like part of the pathology right like he can't even help himself like this
Dude is like right browsing the internet like just right click save right click save like I need this I need this I need this like it is a problem dude it's a problem it's absolutely a problem but we're
Just being bad faith or poisoning to some [ __ ] I'm so curious all these people I see like even donating saying I'm fan of both you should watch this video this context like are you still a both after seeing the Lolli horn after hearing all this [ __ ] are you really still riding for
There's no way no you know what's pissing me off is he's like there's no moral argument and I'm like like that's the only thing that Vos is like why does he keep saying that why does
He keep saying that and if you are now a reason for it now that we've explained everything there why you still there weird let's go here if he means everything he said then we everything we
Said here today is 1 million per right yo Olivia's makeup is so on point today CU what what context could be missing every he's giving us all of the context well the part when the camera stops and he goesch that's the only context that could change everything all right continue on BOS
To care about is usually a product of our own internal biases and I choose to care about all of it to address it systemically rather than over the individual instances of me choosing to purchase things ethically do both again let's say you taking a contest you're misrepresenting
It's such dumb [ __ ] [ __ ] dude we know exactly what you're saying and he just cares so much bro I just care about both cares about everything all right so so whatever that's him um here he
Is saying vegan okay Sage says I think he thinks kids can consent honestly I think you might be right bro I think you maybe maybe Vos yeah maybe that's the whole issue is Vos thinks like kids
Can consent on some Spectrum you know Shadow be says how did Vos get his porn leaked he leaked it himself at the end of his stream vegan gains an interesting Char was an accident but so you know there was is debating him and asking him a interesting question pedopile right who buy child
Pornography would you say they should not be held responsible for doing that yes really what why no huh no they're directly supporting is that vegan gains yeah I think that's it's it's hypocritical if if I cuz I bought my computer and the Silicon in it was farmed in Africa by slaves therefore
Me buying CP I'm just look I've already done the crime right I'm just that a little sprinkle little CP on there bro you're you're your rational is sick he found a loophole in the rational yeah
It's like and somehow he thinks it it lets him be like above it all too at the same time yeah bro you got to listen to yourself why did he use himself as an example there that's very
Sus I don't know why he did that keep playing it seems very obvious I'm sorry it looks like he's cosplaying as a bit of wild right now oh that's the context okay that does change it
So he like takes off his W I did not know any of this about Vos what the [ __ ] again beard not vegan gains this isn't vegan gains or is a vegan gains if I can do that and that's legal
And no one's going to call me out my [ __ ] then yeah I have to be consistent in that respect okay look um I think they're yeah it's funny too cuz he's like and I bought my computer exactly he's
So dumb Vos might be the most dumb he's so dumb what it's not about being consistent you it's a it's about harm reduction it's not even the same all wrongs are not the same kind of wrong
Bro what you guys let this guy into the debate space he's an idiot man I look I just I'm going to slap the [ __ ] out of him bro oh my God what he's autistic dude yeah okay everyone here's autistic and we're this is not his autism this is his [ __ ]
Reduction damn BR that's wild bro okay I always knew who vegan gains was but I never knew what he looked like noted Compu did crime CH you want to be so consistent about maybe avoid buying the
Yeah how does Vos live like just die you might as well just die bro if you see no difference in the consumption of CP versus buying a computer like Old Yeller yourself bro with the in it
That's bad he can't and look for the chocolate that's made ethically like go out of your way he still bought the computer yeah he's like I already got computer so that is [ __ ] it might as well put some stuff on there and here's one more clip of him um trying to rationalize a
Nice little product is on the Shelf it's gone through the supply chain already don't pin the producers fault in the consumers Jesus Christ the five bucks well consuming does do harm because you're giving money to the industry I just don't think it's morally wrong but
Yes okay so vos's morals say it's not wrong Vos is a bad person in Britney's values Britney's values say Vos bad person don't let him around children ban him from being able to have babies um no one should ever date him and if you've had your his dick inside of you
You should question yourself okay he's allowed to have this opinion Britney's values say this human being bad no anything with children bad no exceptions basically no exceptions some exceptions I'm nuanced I'll make exceptions about culture and evolution and you know starving out Villages and my not like Mye communities that like have no
Technology but like this is a modern man in the modern world with all of the modern like no no sorry absolutely not Shadow B says W Bry you're really approving your genocidal cult cult leader I know well you know what no sorry
Like I don't like him I would never trust this man around children like absolutely not sorry like unless you like again I want passionate people who want to protect kids bro especially cuz again you're saying it's not morally wrong which means his personal morals that's totally
Fine gross how did I not know this about vosch I'm new to the community guys I just found out about Destiny like two years ago like I knew who he was cuz people had told me about him but I
Never watched him I never watched H or debate Bros I only came into the community to collab with Stephen because someone in my audience was like talk to Steven and I was like okay and then
Fos was already out of the community I came into Steven's work during the whole Anna Arc like I'm literally so new to the debate space bro I am like I'm just I was chilling in a completely
Different space I was mining my own business and now I have to watch vosch justify CP bro oh is this the right spot chaos five bucks so would you say the people who purchase child
Porn are just as bad as the people who sell it no no not not even slightly I don't think that you should morally impune anyone who purchases child porn for the same reason I wouldn't want to be morally impune for buying clothing from companies that like us so you buy they're not
The same bro they're not even close to the same thing you're not just when you buy a computer Vos you dumb [ __ ] [ __ ] when you buy a computer we're okay so one chain of harm has happened but
I am not consuming anything through my computer that is causing more harm when you buy CP you are then consuming the CP what are we talking about why are it's the ability to watch the CP that's the problem the issue is you're willing to buy it and consume it that's the problem what
When you buy a blood diamond there's only one harm that's been done with CP there's two like that's just harm reduction I'm not I'm just asking you to harm reduce I'm not asking for Perfection but children out of all the things that should be protected
In this particular capacity should start with you consuming their rapes oh [ __ ] I said it okay maybe don't do that part you know maybe not that part what clothing this is the dumbest argument but it's also a self-report he goes I bought I
Bought this clothing I don't say anything you know and so like if I buy a little CP what's the difference mean [ __ ] you're justifying that [ __ ] stop stop AC up to dude labor to do so um however those who produce and sell the child born that is an entirely different question
So that's why you're able that's why he's able to live yeah are you like getting off the harm dooy says you enjoy the harm the harm is the product yeah are you like getting off on children bro getting graped bro and you're like there's nothing morally wrong with that bro or is he
Being so autistic that he's like oh when you buy it it doesn't mean you consume it like what are we talking about those people are the worst I'm not going out of my way to record it or to create it
Those are the worst I'm just right click saving I'm one of the good pedos crazy I'm one of the dope ass [ __ ] cool pedos and also at the same time you're creating this like safe environment
For creeps do hear that it's okay he sounds like that that woman who fell in love with her student who's like you don't know our situation we were in love it's not the same it's like what are you
Doing rizing what they're doing is not that bad it's a horrible thing and people know that that's why they need to rationalize it so they can live with themselves it might make you like really
Loyal to him oh yeah and defend it might make you come in our chat and defend him right here he is talking about um his final clarification on CP um S I don't think that the consumption of the child pornography has anything to do with the inherent um immorality of the production of
Child pornography in case there are people in chat with brainworms who don't know this the production of child immorality is a horrendous crime which is why it hasn't come up once and talking about the consumption of child pornography like so the consumption isn't a horrible crime against
Humanity against yourself against the child how can you stomach it without vomiting dude what like I understand violence in general like I've watched work documentaries I've watched people beheaded I've watched all that [ __ ] during 911 in the Iraq War and it's still gross but like sexual
Deviancy in particular like sexual violence is like a different level of just like growth and I'm saying like it's all gross but like on the spectrum of harm maybe it's just our brains I mean some people would rather get punched in the nose than graped so everyone's got a different
Spectrum I guess like having the pictures you know the pictures that you could literally take one of and then have disseminated to 10,000 people with no reproduction of the original event this [ __ ] is he's talking about Someone's Child by he's way too detailed Hees yeah you know
Like if you go on like a Napster and you download one and has Vos answered to any of this recently Badd ghoul wants to know I want to know that too has Vos like resented any of this talked about it
Does he like maintain it he did two days ago oh yeah what am I talking about this is recent Vos just got called out and then pussied out un like oh my God bro 40,000 other people downloaded it
It's not like there's more child it's just that one child being harmed and it's not like other people consuming this are going to want more of it right you sick [ __ ] you dirty [ __ ] um he says he says condemning CP is some lib [ __ ] the industry is being bolstered well I'm concerned
With the entire [ __ ] capitalist economy being bolstered and the moral that's like vosch would absolutely if he was like um a white person in the and he could own a slave he would own a slave and
Be like well it's just like okay I'm trying to dismantle the whole system but until then I'm going to like grape my slaves like he's just like saying like well I want to take down the system so until that's taken down like I don't even care about what's happening here it's like
Bro hypocrisy that we perpetuate when we condemn people for for participating in industries that are really icky like CP but it's just it's really icky like he's patronizing people that care about it it's iy and we just you know like oh whatever it's the rest of the industry that that really
Strikes me the wrong way to me this strikes this strikes to me as some lib [ __ ] this is um this is a tacit endorsement of or at the very least permission given to um the exploitative nature of capitalist industry this is your brain on [ __ ] communism bro we apply this hypercritical
Um moral condemnation people who contribute to certain industries but then the rest of it we just get free [ __ ] pass to it's really [ __ ] gross to me it's like actually disgusting so he's disgusted by people that care about CP but don't care about chocolate I'm disgusted by you
All right so how's that for a little Bango Bingo now here is um just one last thing here his his Tob sorted folder from 2019 that's now four years so I was just going through the VOD from the Sonic
Trailer and Vos showed us his image folders hopefully he will do live sorting of the 2B sorted map he says it's 98% porn so probably not 2019 what else is in the Vos what else is in there
Moving on now we're going to get to his response video and this is my favorite part I had to catch everybody up but now let's see what he has to say for himself watch the reaction video It's 2
Hours long what a Twist how long have we be here what a Twist get us with that here we got a ton of Don I can talk talk about let me pop open this donations tab uh the crew in general it's always
Hilarious to me that's why I was going to wear my D shirt I was wearing it and solidarity EA CH but I just replied to it'll bring you back up to it oh what the [ __ ] that's not what I expected at
All look at this oh that's ridiculous guys please like this stream it is 3:00 a.m. my time almost please like the stream thank you for being here that's ridiculous bro wait but that wasn't in
The stuff that we saw that is not that is absurd that he's like oh yeah thought the goblin no you didn't all right let's move on so here he is in his stream that he did on I'm not gonna tell so
At first surprise surpris he accuses me of clip chimping really Champion for those of you who don't know Ethan Klein and his um friends over in the H3 pod dedicated about two hours to the
Podcast to doing like a like the platonic ideal of a bad faith Vos is a pedophile take down including like like everything like like five years ago like stuff that's been addressed so long that I mean I
Didn't see it I saw people in my Discord this [ __ ] fit there I could not believe this okay guys you also don't watch anyone's content okay so look I'm you know me I'm fair and balanced bro
I'm fair and balanced okay I took eban preaches I side more in that debacle between Ethan I took Ethan side and the Jake do little case and in this tide I'm saying Ethan and Ela are probably
More accurate than voses but also inaccurate in some things but for them to be mad that Vos didn't watch their video when they absolutely do not watch full context of ab and preach's videos
I think is very disingenuine so I'll call you all out mimon says no no and tell me I'm right out of the gate that he didn't watch it talk about it I didn't want to watch it myself partly because
It would just make me upset and partly because I was getting a haircut at the time well listen I understand not wanting to watch something because it make you upset but at the same time just if you
Are going to talk about you're gonna do if you're GNA do a H3 podcast after party What's Happening Here why's okay but again like Ethan has no place to speak on this he literally says out
Loud I didn't watch it I didn't watch it I didn't watch it on this oh okay he's done he's like I'll mess with the button doggy but like it it wasn't even like anything temporal it was literally just
Like [ __ ] this guy my understanding is that they were even doing like the Tacoma web jokes and pretending that the Tacoma wept thing wasn't a joke like I understand you trying to be like over
The top yeah like I mean he has autism so like got to you know put it through the autist lens and silly but it was still creepy and [ __ ] weird bro oh boy no it wasn't creepy it was just kind of
Silly and cringe but like who cares basically he was saying like he [ __ ] and Tacoma like wept when he couldn't [ __ ] anymore because of covid it's just kind of cringy but it look like it's
Not creepy just wept and we don't take that from us don't gas like me bro I know what the hell you were you know you're trying to be like over the top and silly but you meant what you said bro he
Was having like a heated back and forth yeah that that's what spad that I don't I think he line he's he wasn't jok someone to do is research I [ __ ] all the time I'm not monogamous he's like he's
Like they think that everyone in Tacoma actually cried we know we know literally the thing that people pretend to do where they see an obvious joke and act like I'm being serious you know like or whatever so if it's reached that level of like indiscriminate [ __ ] talking and smearing
Then it's obviously not any kind of like pointed criticism so with that with that in mind like what I even what why did you make this why did you come and do this uh if that was your your Insight on it
But okay um chatter says Vos you need to watch the podcast for the full context and here's his response you should really watch the segment they didn't just watch the out of context Clips they watched some the explanations too um no is Ethan still Vos is about to go live in real time
Is Ethan live right now are we all just live right now cross the desk U no I've done this so many times so many times uh like years now that you're I've done this so many times and no
More all of a sudden yet you've refused to come up with a logical defense that we think makes enough sense yeah if you're being accused of something so serious you think you want to watch so you
Can defend it come on I give him space to talk crazy sometimes it's just part of the job even if you don't want to watch we've had to do stuff like that yeah of course uh then he oh here five
Years I've done this and every time it's the same thing every time things go down this road it's always the same collection of like really agress bad faith obviously dishonest you know I
Think at one I saw this the Discord somebody said Ethan said that I had like a folder full of CP or something what the [ __ ] like if you're going to say that you got to at least know what the [ __ ]
You're talking about what is there to respond to when that's the level like that's the of here he is with another outrageous claim based on I guess a chatter the bridge they said okay so Vos went live after Ethan already ended stream should probably rape real children yeah there was
A degree of bad faith there that is not like he said somebody said we were saying you know it's like from my side of the river nobody said that as far as I can remember um here he talks about
Ethan betrayed me we were friends mostly just really sad thing because I thought that um Ethan CL and I were on good terms which I know he made fun of I think at some point he was like as if I
Would ever be friends with this pedophile which is really disingenuous didn't that so it's all stuff you heard from people comments he's talking much likeo the [ __ ] you doing in his yeah well I'm Caron I'm cartoon snake he was really friendly to me back when I had a channel strike he talked
With me about offering to give me access to his content manager on YouTube wow so I did something nice for you and therefore like bro by the way I help people all the time whenever I can with
Video and IP and YouTube [ __ ] because I know how bad it sucks and when I been in positions where I don't I help everybody with that sh you people who were considered enemies have a career [ __ ] about you you help them I help everybody with that [ __ ] because I think it matters okay
Would I try to talk to Vos about it would Vos even talk to me I guess I don't know like I guess I would just ask ask him for clarification I guess but I don't really want to I don't really
Want to associate with Vos in that way I mean I just want him to clarify his thoughts right like it's the consumption of again like I don't understand his moral stances me helping you with
That how you use that against me he helped me yo he helped me bro what what the [ __ ] so that I could deal with the strike better and just a little while ago when he was going through the
Rounds because he was doing like weird arguments with Assan about zis or whatever he he didn't like a tweet that I had liked so he reached out to me and ask me about it we talked for a
Bit and I disagree with him but EV cryptophane yeah that the trip to F turkey has a lot of it or or the digestive process that turkey requires produces a lot of it or okay he's live right now
But what is this oh eventually I moved over and said okay I unlik the tweet his request so like every engagement that was before like yeah I reached out because Ione he was liking something I
Don't remember what it was but we talked and he's like okay I think you're R unlike it and I was like okay cool that was nice um that was before the Lolli folder and all this other sh I know
About most of it but you know I mean change you know [ __ ] changes should happens bro sometimes your Lolly gets leak and things change afterwards let's see he says he's okay with Ethan Klein's betrayal BOS watches Lolly why does he called na to be honest in addition to the Ethan CL I would
Call I'm okay with calling that um you know one of the things that really me is that a lot of these Lyons genuinely seem to think that everyone is a l they're doing I said this before they're doing
The thing that racist do with RAC where they think that everyone is racist secretly they're just the one with the balls to like Adit it so a lot of these lons think that everyone is but like is
He talking about they're the only ones with the stones to own up to it and and you know obviously this is like genuinely repulsive but sure I don't understand that one all right I'm move on here's
The damn conspiracy this is the good [ __ ] so B like how did this happen there must be some explanation I do think to some level Dan is orchestrating could be convinc the conversation I friend my best friend would never betray me un that's crazy that's like yeah when dudes will
Blame like a girl's girlfriends for her or doing something or thinking Some Way like whenever she stands up herself oh who's telling you this who's making you think this way yeah I like that I have no agency I didn't do anything you're response fan that's right that's right gidy up [ __ ] fan and
He doesn't like me oh he says you're a Hassan fan too right so okay first of I actually didn't even know that H didn't like this guy um because talks about him um which evid I've learned this weekend
I was watching this on stream and Vos hates him to the extent like maybe not hates him but critici him all the time like I was being serious when they all hate each other he he pulled up vos's
Channel and searched his own name and there was like so many videos and then he went to his own channel and searched vos's name and there was nothing um so that doesn't really check out
Because yeah I wasn't I wasn't even aware that he didn't like you um I saw that H Son video I was cracking up with the guy you just don't come up dude I don't know who you are I didn't orchestrate
Anything Ethan's the one that stumbled I don't know man when I was in the bathroom you and had some time to work [ __ ] outs again the the only I'll cop two I was familiar with the coma we and
I thought that was funny but I Ethan I showed that to you really recently right like a month ago just coincidentally it like came up or something and I was like have you ever seen this clip with the
We so anyways that's that's it that's the extent to my involvement everything else you can talk to Ethan about him there it is so so he claims so he claims I don't know that was pretty snakish
Snake cartoonish bro Ethan could be convinc the conversation I I I don't know I know that Dan is like a Hassan fan and he doesn't like me and I I've known that for a while I heard from some
People in Discord you've known that for a while you been on radar we've never talked about until Friday this was the first time yeah I don't think so maybe I was like oh yeah Vos she's
Okay to uh epically own uh the narrative uh at the moment would be well leaving aside the fact that everything literally everything has been addressed for years so it's it's like incredibly boring but leaving that aside trying to address it right now you might as well go into a church while people
Are speaking tongues and try to debate them out of believing in God you know an emotional environment that encourages irrational thinking has been constructed given time given the fact that uh you know uh he was having like a skitso meltdown honestly from the clips that I saw like
Really weird [ __ ] um we will we will persist and be quietly and then as time goes on more loudly uh truthful that's fine now as for everyone who wants to update me on everything I don't care you don't have to tell me seriously I don't the whole point here is oh look
It's it's overwhelming this big stream all the denunciation look 57 lies debunk them all the purpose of stuff like this is to exhaust you thank thankfully with my um massive brain uh I can sort this information uh in order of relevance and all of this very low
Relevance valheim very high relevance maintaining the community very high relevance what the [ __ ] is a valheim you'll find out out you'll find out don't worry BOS he was threatening to post the DMS from you too ear he did post those DMS they
Made him look bad there was nothing you can go see the H3 podcast if you want there's no like um fear from my end the the the um uh I guess the like tide here is against irrationality if
You go from my community go watch all that feel free uh from what I saw it was insane like genuinely unhinged saw a lot of people in my community saying that it was so bad faith it
Made them like viscerally upset which is why uh I didn't watch it you know well there you go guys unhinged oh that's so funny he knows Benjamin it's fine W the copium Bro eh what are you going to do yeah of course Greg Wills like when a guy is trying to
Pick up a chick and then when she denies him they get really mad and say she's ugly actually what are you what what are you look at this little guy damn oh yeah according to Ethan you guys are all pedophiles and if you're transgender and you're watching uh
I groomed you into delusionally believing that I have protrans politics wow so that's all you're learning this now about yourself Vos is so at Faith bro what no I love this wow I'm getting my first vosch experience and I am why did you drop out a progressive
Victory I didn't drop out a progressive Victory that's news to me and considering the fact that I talked to Progressive Victory this morning that that I I think you might just be wrong I think you might be incorrect oh man he's so off that's so interesting
H Bato none of these channels actually give a [ __ ] or care about anything a lot of them don't really have any moral positions either it's just drama farming we've been dealing with people like this the entire time of streaming the main thing that I've had to learn to deal
With is not people who dislike me or hate me or have different values than me but people who have no values at all you know from a lot of people on the far right to a lot of
People on the left Destiny to this clearly the consistent pattern is not I uh you know uh have trouble with people who believe different things only from people who don't believe things uh but that's fine it's not like this is new I mean I agree agree with this in general but like
Ethan does have very specific values I think I understand them pretty well does vosch have good values I mean he does have values or morals well I don't know BL BL but what are they Ethan's live stream reached uh 54,000 Watchers almost as big as one
Of my streams okay that's a joke he's a much smaller streamer so autism it's a joke so interesting yeah he bro what the hell are you talking about you might think it's insane but
Nores don't think that right now let me let me see if I could find a different way of conveying this information let me let me think for a second because I've been seeing a lot of this that's
Okay this is live right now this is like right now okay let's say there's a guy called Andrew arbitrary name if there's someone named Andrew it's not a vague post just saying Andrew first name that came to my mind say there's a guy called Andrew and he's a streamer all right now there's
Nothing really wrong with Andrew but he's not been great at making friends he's a bit belligerent a lot of people don't like him is what I mean and he goes to a streamer event you know twitchcon
Or something okay and at one of these meet and greets or one of these um you know social event you know he's in the company of his peers uh and he's around dozens of them it's like let's
Say they're all getting food together and at one point you know uh while while getting up to get some more food he lets out a big fart a really big like loud attention grabbing one like people
Quiet down after like a really bad like the kind of thing that people think about for the rest of their lives and one of those like late night uh morbid Reflections on life and all the mistakes
In I zon out what did he say very embarrassing to be sure and and and after it happened you know Andrew was like oh you know played it off as best he could whatever now the problem is okay the
Problem is lunch table politics is fully in effect here right so a lot of the people here they don't like him too much and somebody you don't even know who at first but somebody starts spreading the rumor that Andrew actually [ __ ] his pants he didn't just fart that was a sharp he blasted
His pants with [ __ ] and it smelled bad okay now that sounds silly but people really pick on it I mean people really really really pick it up right so Andrew gets back home from the event gets back to streaming everyone's talking about it everyone is talking about it right uh other streamers are
Talking about it laughing people are going over it and laughingly like laughing commentating over it saying like oh yeah that was so gross I always thought that guy was gross Etc this is all a blindsiding you know uh like completely out of nowhere to Andrew right so Andrew thinks right
He thinks hold on okay I've got a community of people who like me a lot of whom seem to think I [ __ ] myself because that's the only information they've been provided I can debunk this because this whole thing was live streamed right yeah it was a streamer event he got up and
Farted and went and got food and sat back down and continued to eat there at that table for 2 and 1/2 hours during which nobody acted weird around him in person how could he have [ __ ] himself that that was the case wouldn't people have in any way indicated that in the live stream
Either over audio or video look at the tapes he couldn't have [ __ ] himself Andrew thinks so Andrew goes online he goes live and he starts start saying look look at this stream look this whole time I sat right next to people the fart was awkward yeah to be sure but wouldn't there
Have been a different reaction if I had [ __ ] my pants people I'm sitting right next to people who I don't even have a close relationship with wouldn't they have moved away from me or indicated that would there somebody not have said something the mic is picking up the speech from all the
People there sure sure sure but now people are just laughing harder now people are just going dude look he's trying so embarrassed he [ __ ] his pants oh look at this dude he's [ __ ] his pants and he's trying to like look through the clips like oh look at the tapes I didn't [ __ ]
Myself and and and this renewed you know he he's he's engaged with the drama now so so now there's more content for people to go over now other live streamers commentators whatever they're making more videos they're like ah you know pant [ __ ] defends himself right and this is around
The time okay this is around the time that that Andrew notices something else he doesn't know where the initial rumor spread about the pants [ __ ] he doesn't know maybe he'll never know a lot of people seem to be picking up in it and believing it pretty firmly though Andrew gets
The feeling that some of the people saying it don't care whether it's true or not sure of course the internet pictures are circulating around it looks like it's a screenshot from the live stream of the recording of the dinner they all did together sure it's the internet he was
Wearing gray pants unsoiled completely clean gray pants but somebody has edited a frame from the live stream and added a dark smear to the backside of his pants so he it circulates like wildfire look he tries to defend himself in the video look clearly this is the evidence now
This image is obviously doctored it's just one frame out of the video the video in its original form is still uploaded online in the servers of a third party you know um but it doesn't stop people from taking to the picture people lose their minds so what does Andrew do Andrew
Goes live and he breaks down why that picture is fake he goes look look at the this is ridiculous this is a single frame first of all the editing isn't even very good okay look it doesn't look
Like realistic uh and what's more like you can compare this against the video file this is from when I got up there's no like you can look at the video footage and there we get it bro and how do
You think people react to this oh look this guy's trying to this guy's trying to [ __ ] figure out the pan [ __ ] he's he's denied he's so [ __ ] embarrassed oh my God he's he's trying to like
John Madden it with like red lines and a picture you [ __ ] kidding me this dude [ __ ] his pants and he's trying to argue against it MH okay okay we get it what could Andrew have done because now
This is a permanent feature of his reputation what could Andrew have done I ask you guys maybe well what I think and I'm no expert what I think is that as I've often said in my live streams people's willingness to hear the truth is heavily dependent upon the conditions in which they hear
It right as we know debates aren't a Kill Shot you know this is one of the reasons why I say that for the most part people shouldn't go up and debate like Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro when they're
Doing their little college tours not only are they much more trained uh both on the subject and media trained but also the environment is against you and even if you do well they can clip around it right they have that power you know you don't have any power in that environment you
Should try to stick to environments where you do have the ability to change people's minds and I think that's what Andrew should have done raging against an overwhelming torrent of disingenuous mockery doesn't get Andrew anything instead what Andrew should have done done in my humble opinion
And this is generally speaking what I do when people lie about me is understand that direct engagement usually benefits the people who were disingenuous enough to lie in the first place you wait until things have quieted down at least a little knowing the full time by the way that you
Can clarify things to your audience there's nothing stopping Andrew from saying no that didn't happen to his own audience the mistake Andrew made was raging out you know against the entire community space uh But as time goes on and the hysteria dies down people who encounter
Him watch his streams or whatever are will be more likely to go oh he didn't [ __ ] his pants okay because he'll casually say it you know he won't like aggressively project this uh you know insecure seeming uh you know counterargument that just gets mocked whatever he's just kind of like
Ah yeah know that didn't happen like seriously you can look at the video and that's more convincing to a lot of people because in mind everything that everyone says online is framed through the medium through which they saw it meaning that him loudly raging against the nonsense uh
Would have been framed for most people through others mocking him for Raging against it right yeah yeah yeah like the people he was trying to reach with all that raging that wasn't like like he was trying to reach the broader audience but he can't reach them directly he
Reaches them through other people have vested interest in being disingenuous sure sure sure yeah but is none of this has anything to do with anything going on right now what so there's no comparison to be made oh my God he's gas liting the [ __ ] out of us right now what the [ __ ]
Is that his autism he's making a joke right that's his autism so you're saying you [ __ ] yourself uh I think if you have this reputation you just have to deal with it for the rest of your life that's what you get you shouldn't have defended CP
So often bro that's it he keeps saying no one has a moral argument well there you go Benjamin did you just freestyle that because that was wonderful do you think I would have written all that down unorthodox monkey every time I see you in chat at least for the past week or
So you you've displeased me I smite you may you return in a in a form more pleasing to me Discord says this this are we sure this is Vos this sounds like a character of I think he
Meant did you think about this in advance well I took a second to think first right wow the autism is so loud here this is a very autistic Community there you go Miss Jenna I love that H you should swallow your pride going on a show did you hear anything that I just
Said okay I was lying at the end when I said it's inapplicable to any current situation I was drawing an analogy do you did you not understand any of that thanks funny rhetoric I know I don't know why you would indicate that to me as
Though I did I don't mean to be tety with you guys uh if nothing else I'm sure you know if if credit is to be given for anything um probably reasonable to assume that when it comes to weathering disingenuous internet drama I'm operating off of some
Uh you know some basis of experience right probably a subject that I I have um thoughts on what do you guys think what do you guys think he seems like he can't be trusted thoughts why would Spectre why would nobody listens says every white man nobody listens to me it's cuz I'm
White and I'm autistic nobody listens to me no I have not seen bluee Samurai yet essentially yes Fortuna I have heard many recommendations of blueeye Samurai anyway you guys really shouldn't fuss about this uh like I said it's a it's you can Rage Against the heavens or not
Um as I understand it the sort of mishmash of nihilistic drama bait [ __ ] the H3 podcast was about was so coherent I don't even know what people are saying anymore all I know is that it's either complete nonsense or fully incapsulated by stuff that we've been debunking for literal
Years in this channel there's functionally no difference at least not um you know morally or experientially uh between this and any other time Nazis have gotten Rowdy about me is it true though you know it's it's just people in chat I think are acting differently because some
Of you guys like or liked Ethan uh which is fine and I understand that that being said before you can't harsh my vibe guys you know it's it it takes it burns a lot of calories sitting here
Being right all the time I got to relax and play some valheim autism is so monotone but I can tell when he's joking he's pretty funny but his monotone is so funny I can understand why people don't know when he's joking but like yeah I think I might be autistic cuz I actually
Understand his autism humor yeah it was the greatest hits compilation DJ moth man exactly huh okay well Vos this [ __ ] just annoys be because it could be literally disproven by taking 10 minutes out of your day to yes that's what lies are this this isn't a a product of poor
Research it's just uh it's it's lying yes it's been known to happen people do it sometimes um you know you can you can lose a lot of your life getting frustrated at other people's willingness to be awful to you um and to an extent that's your choice but you shouldn't let that impede
You in managing it appropriately right like if you're despairing at it in a way that um hampers you H okay so he's just not going to address it I mean that's fine he can make that decision again like
I'm so for protecting children I'm surprised he doesn't maybe he just doesn't want to protect kids Bros you know that's what I'm saying like it should it could never get tiring to like protect children but it might get tiring to have to defend yourself maybe he's just you know what it feels
So weird to be like yes I know Sergeant Dave like what an opportunity you need to get it out of your system now because I will be muting you people for continuing to drama farm and chat when we're
Playing valheim can't let you get in the way of that he could have like gone an H3 advocated for kids advocated for himself I guess it would have come out virtue signaling though but yeah like this seems weird I don't know I guess he won't debate Ethan about it okay well bummer exactly
Any okay but vosch weren't you moderately raging Against the Machine two streams ago no I don't think so but if your point is that sticking your neck out too far can get you clipped then yes as you're about to find out that is true hush okay
Well I think me and chat just really want this to be something that could be resolved as someone just sat Ethan down sh the facts no guys come on when has it ever worked that way
On this channel when do you is he traumatized have you watched anything I I I not even just here I mean broadly that's not how it works this is this is why this is why people have shower arguments you know everyone Everyone likes to to soothe themselves with reassuring fantasies
That if placed in precisely the right place they would be able to get other people to understand how they feel uh to to correct misconceptions or to uh debunk lies in a convincing way Everyone likes to believe this it's a universal phenomena the reason why it's Universal is because it is
Universally uh Fantastical uh it is a fantasy very rarely does this actually happen for the most part uh for example on a global stage disagreements of ideology or fact are usually settled with economic or military disputes not by debate or argument it's just an exchange of power in personal this
Is usually the case too when people dislike other people they convince themselves that they dislike them for legitimate reasons when in reality they often just don't like their Vibe uh you know whole friend circles can be torn apart over largely arbitrary and Vibes based assessments of
Others that then get recontextualized as PE people justify post Haw why they feel this that you know uh you can you could especially me you especially me like more so than any of you to be fair trauma
Think I would engage in this fantasy as well but I've been dispelled of it trust me this has happened enough times okay when people hate you and want to lie they hate you and want to lie
That's it you know you can you know fantasize about like uh you oh well if I just said this to that no no for the most part it doesn't work that way you know the presumption of good faith
Is exactly that a presumption and it's often an unjustified one most of the time when people are interacting especially in an online SP like you know with with all the clout and the games and
The blah blah in an environment like this uh most of the time good faith is not the first priority to say the least so don't worry about it you know because I I I I see people you know everyone is
Like oh I'm just so mad I get that you're mad and I appreciate that but if you think an injustice has been done there are two roads you can go and one of them helps both of us and one of
Them doesn't and the bad road that you can go down is one of anger and mutual commiseration and you let the community be defined by indignation and what other people have done or you be cool if you
Like the community and you must to think that this is wrong then be cool and make the community good okay okay I think he has trauma from not being seen like you guys said I think he probably feels
Alienated the Space is really toxic but I still don't understand his views no I'm not what why would this one is a bigger all right okay you're right no amount of speeches will dispel you guys
From wanting to whine mutes it is Benjamin if you do that again you too you've bought uh an an exstension on one mute interesting H could he be unable to defend himself because this is an
Opportunity to do it in a bigger way but maybe he's afraid it will come back and bite him in the butt because he's not as good as debating as he thinks or he's not good as communicating
As he thinks or maybe yeah I just don't get his views on CP like the consumption of it not being it's not the same as blood diamonds it's just like literally not in terms of harm reduction it's not the same I definitely understand where you're coming from vosch
Of course above you because I'm the sun and we we we are all we are all basking in in the beautiful rays of light in valheim another game with pretty pretty light physics we got to play valheim interesting okay he's going to Shell himself like you guys said and protect himself
Okay interesting decision I just want to tell people I like Vos without being called okay oh how about this oh I've never exactly had a great reputation online I think this is mostly the product of people hating me and not my behavior but opinions vary what a little dark bro
The main thing that people say to me or in my community um when they initially believe that I'm bad but are dispelled of that notion is that the community's positivity won them over that actually it's not that bad you guys are great I'm great tell me are you acting great
Right now with this in and Doris are you acting great are you being productive he's a toxic guy if you're so concerned with the stability of the community the oh this is bad well it's not fair he's a who would be convinced by this certainly not other people from outside
The community who already dislike Me and You by extension they would just see evidence to this community's obsession with being the victim of self-inflicted drama and nothing else damn he's a poisonous dad oh that's interesting is that his Dynamic with his viewers is he their
Dad and then he's like abusive to them and he's like they hate you because they hate me and you love me right I don't think I can I I I don't think I have anything more to say on that wow
Okay K Farms well damn interesting interesting interesting I didn't even know what that said huh yeah he has a really weird yeah he's super ego inflated which is probably just an insecurity which interesting he he has weak eyes it looks like I could bully him by just looking at
Him honestly all right yeah I think I'd make him cry which he might like I don't know if he's into that huh okay well damn all right mods you can mute anyone who's annoying I'll read all the donations that have been donated up until this point at the end of stream
Until then I'm turning um TTS on there we go valheim valheim V the title would help he's put A3 in the title he should probably change it to volheim damn who that's loud hold your horses there whoa whoa who okay I'm done I don't care okay
Well good luck vosch 6,300 people watching damn subscriber chat only no thank you damn damn okay do we want to finish out the Ethan and Ela thing we're not even done with it actually that was interesting he's got a very interesting way to speak and the way he like conveys his ideas
I do think he's like like you guys said he's Walling himself off hold your horses slow down there chat okay so I do think he's going to wall himself off and protect himself honestly it for me I get very over stimulated and very very like when like I know the internet's talking
About me so give him a few days maybe in a week he'll actually talk about it but I will say I I'm kind of surprised I guess that he's not willing to make a statement but maybe it's
Maybe he's overstimulated by it maybe he doesn't want to like admit that he still thinks that way I mean it's still re I don't know there's so many things here I don't understand there's so many things here I don't understand I just don't get the whole like it's not unethical to consume
CP like you don't think it's unethical to watch a child get Eng graped like not immoral like even by his like his own standard like my standard like I don't think morality needs to be consistent like
It needs to be this is the problem with debate Bros it's like morality needs to be consistent morality is never consistent life is a living contradiction we don't we believe in women like people's consent unless it's our children and they need to be put to bed or they need to eat their
Vegetables morality doesn't work that way morality is contextual and in the context of consuming CP it is never it should not be moral not that it's never moral but that I think it shouldn't be moral
Moral and if you think it is moral I think you shouldn't be around children right he said he regrets his previous CP stances I think well then he should talk to Ethan about that what a great
Like recovery Arc I hope he comes back in a few days and does have those conversations you know Discord says it's about autistic utilitarian calculation it's math you wouldn't get it yeah well it's not my fault I don't do math okay it's literally not even my fault I have disc calcula
Just kidding self-identification self diagnosis anyways okay well interesting okay let's see if Ethan has anything more to say something like that like in passing but not more than that not know me like and again separating like I always found him cringey because of Thea clip but I had seen a
Couple of his videos over the years commentary videos was on a topic I'm interested in and like youan it was like it was fine I don't know was a favorite cre it's like based on the topic sometimes his clip watching it that's and that's fine yeah I guess a perception that some people
Have led me to believe that I don't know is true is that he [ __ ] spices me and he kind of like set this up for the dislike uh but he wants to pretend that his hands are off it I don't know
If that's true or not I mean I know that listen to what I'm on you about B Faith right poisoning the well he may have set this up I don't know he may have been not liking me for a while and all
This and all that but I don't know okay well Dan I I'm curious to know what he thinks that looked like where Dan secretly orchestrated his Lolli folder being leaked that's what's baffling about
Like what he did this he created the situation yes so Dan um he calls you a I think he called you a tanky Dan they literally P up your debate with noncompete from Nonet POV and they agreed with
Him so by they you mean Dan right noncompete is like a t of YouTuber that probably wouldn't engage with and my channel is far larger than his so if you and they both contain the same content so the
Only reason you would get that content from his stream rather than mine uh kind of suggest that there's some kind of like prior bias there I don't know it feels so disingenuous I see what
He's trying he's trying to say one of the clips that we had was from like a very small creator that we must be or I guess me personally must be a fan of because how else we Source it from
Them I didn't source that clip and I don't know who you're talking about what else to say Dan is jealous of me true uh and my my forefathers may have been tankies but I don't think I would self
Myself as a tanky so I'm going have to test I'm do a tanky test on you tank test do you think China is entitled to Taiwan you're asking me yeah no there you go that's it see how easy let's go fast
Um horse explanation here he explains that you have to be willfully dishonest to accuse him of being Into Horses one of the things that they did which and by the way I'm hearing this second hand
I ad if I'm wrong uh then that's on me I don't want to watch it honestly it would just upset me you're already upset then don't do all this you're already upset they I believe him especially
If it's ner Divergent and is stressful he might be too stressed to watch it he might he might be he might be too stressed to watch it which could make sense I mean it's it's a lot of pressure even
Celebrities feel it guys like if they really are impacted I think like Taylor Swift and all those people feel impacted by things obviously they're people I couldn't even imagine it honestly but do we think he's just like escaping responsibility or is he because it could be both he could be
Overwhelmed and escaping responsibility I don't know if he's into real horses but you know HTI horses which is like fine I guess you know but like I don't think he's into like I don't know
Is he into real horses I think he's just into probably hiai horse I don't F this is such a weird I don't know acted as though the whole horse thing was some kind of yeah wait Discord
You're right then why address it at all at this point see okay that's okay why even like yeah maybe maybe well cuz that's the problem is like maybe he has to I don't know like H like secret
That I'm trying to play off he loves this point this oh they thought they were pretending like me being openly a pervert I'm openly a pervert why they trying to pretend like I've been secretly
A pervert like okay dude like they were like ah we found thank you Sage say say sage says oh my God I'm so tired it's like 3:30 oh my God just want to say thank you Bernie for facilitating these difficult discussions bro I'm emotionally exhausted so thank you guys for being here spoon
In the chat guys spoon in the chat woo I'm I'm going to need some spoons I'm going to need some cuddles I'm going to need some soup after this oh it's 3:30 in the morning morning I can't believe
I I'm like slurring my words found out like he really does like horse scks or whatever which to construct that impression you would need to be willfully dishonest I have emotes I just saw a folder with horseborn in it man it was really not more complicated than that you know making fun
Of it like like like that is a level of willful dishonesty that I think it's it's stuff like that you know because it means there's no real sincere effort I don't know engaging with or uncovering any kind of drama um it's just an effort at like character assassination wrong are and then so
Here's uh let's see 2 okay someone in YouTube chat is saying it's a real horse in the unfiltered leak someone in Discord is saying they're all drawn I saw the leak that somebody sent me and I only saw
Drawn stuff two um minutes later he says this interesting a little bit we can't let this we can't let this be smeared okay if to whatever extent you know people can say uh oh we place
It off as this or that okay I'll make it clear you can write this down I want to [ __ ] a woman as a horse none of this is I just to be clear okay let's do the math on this he doesn't I mean that's
That's okay that feels very okay I want to [ __ ] a woman as a horse fos says okay he should go to Bad Dragon get a custom horse sck cool I think actually no I actually think that's illegal I
Think you can only get mythical creatures okay get a dragon dick okay a [ __ ] a woman does he have a girlfriend probably not because he doesn't think it's unethical to Source CP bro or to watch
CP that's the problem what woman wants to [ __ ] a guy whose moral compass like which was a choice to make is choosing not to think it's unethical to sort like to watch CP ew I couldn't like you know
What I'm saying like what like is there a woman that agrees with this like she that like that's what I'm saying like in order to find a partner I mean there's got to be women women also do CP
Crap so okay he wants to be the horse okay so in the folder there's images of a horse [ __ ] a child therefore if we're going to do the math he's the horse you know mean I mean do I need to
Say it no no definitely not you know if he's the horse and the horse is [ __ ] your kid that's just kind of what it is there brother bro bro bro um LLY explanation uh oh that makes sense explains
The wor this is this is everyone's favorite part yeah framing uh I mean I'll explain the whole thing for those who don't know I thought he was married is Vos gay or straight or by I think he's
By right four days ago I was doing what oh pan okay Vos is pan okay well do any of his Partners who he's going to be with okay Vos is panexual so not necessarily a woman okay thank you Discord so
Vos is panexual apparently great now we know I think someone said that earlier I forgot um so does anyone any so he'd have to find a partner see that's the problem is like I'm really like
I'm so much of my attraction to somebody is like their values and his values are just like gross I do which is showing chat men's formal Weare and talking at them about it for hours on end
And I was going to open up an image with right click open a new window but instead I did right click save as and it opened a folder called to be sorted the to be sorted folder which is where I
Put images that have yet to be sorted and indicate that which is by his own adion 98% porn the place that it went to because the file type of the image which was like I don't know jpeg or something
I don't know um the last image that I saved to the 2B sorted folder was an image of Marcel from dungeon meshy being roasted by um Gordon Ramsey while cooking a mandri hold on he's doing this thing where he's like it's not about that one nobody [ __ ] cares about that one nobody he's
Trying to make it seem like remember I'm curious what he he shows it he shows it okay got it this is not I'll explain it all yeah so anyway was just a Caron Gordon Ramsey yeah we don't care
About that one BR Ramsey stop there we go off you skate you [ __ ] show it see I'm inoc it's a good anime guys and a good manga about the other open up the the folder yeah like there's like 95% our
Porn let's talk about those preview which show thumbnails of images that I had in there a lot of which were pornographic most of which though there were some non-pornographic images including Reagan Ripley care care care those do not bother me at all man you know what don't care Inside Job
Standing around I think um and nonp pornographic Canon of Ru from I don't care if it's drawn I mean I care a little bit that it's drawn even but like okay are more pornographic images of Ru than there
Are non pornographic images but honestly nobody cares about King raru R oh wait I'm reading one the com my name Ethan literally went through each image that you showed and discussed them but then
Afterward acted like it was all ped [ __ ] well some of it was is is one not enough image two of being yeah is one enough like that's the question that I think a lot of people are asking asking
Oh man I'm tired Bros in this video looks so good that even non pornographic images feel pornographic to me yeah innately pornic why you keep it's to be sorted I'm not arguing this with you guys anymore okay yeah we get it the most potent roasting you know oh why even
Say I don't want to argue with you guys about it okay because it's a 2B sorted folder which had the tax you know whatever also which need to be sorted I don't get what's complicated about
It um anyway of the images that showed two of them were from the same artist two of them those from that artist that artist turned out to be a lolon case closed G oh whoop so like listen I'm
Not familiar with this but if you are an artist that specializes in LLY con as they call it and they've draw and I saw this image and I was like wow that's pedal [ __ ] what are the chances that
Bosch looked at this image a professional lollycon artist he's like I'm the best at doing this nobody ever mistakes this yet for anything that's I I I ask myself these questions this is a very hard question to ask yourself if a person draws loli if a person consumes Lolly are they then
A PDF file that is a very difficult question to answer because they could just be into children which is not PDF necessarily they could just be into the atmosphere that is exhibited through the vulnerability of the imagery they could be attracted to so many different things but I will
Say like I would definitely raise a red flag like I definitely don't want to be with somebody who's like super like I I don't think I could be with like a lollycon artist again these are my values
And my morals but Vos is saying it's okay and I think that that like I would need to like have a therapist examp in him and examine like why does he have these thoughts is it pedophilia or
Is it actually something else cuz I could believe it's something else and the question is if it is something else does that just does that then lend him to being possibly a a a a danger to
Children or not which is really the only thing I care about is this man a danger to children that's literally all I [ __ ] care about I don't care about anything [ __ ] else you know because ultimately like we just want to protect kids and the point is is like are you somebody who's
Going to not protect a child when given the opportunity and I do think when you say that my moral my morality will allow me to consume CP without it being immoral I I don't think you are someone that's willing to protect a child like I think you're willing to deliberately not protect
A child and one of the easiest ways to protect a kid I think what it's like an opportunity to the most in the easiest way to protect a child you know what I mean and you say no it feels like
What are you doing what do you why why not why you why oh because like you know diamonds and I'm like what what what are you talking about about kids he goes yeah no I didn't know I knew and I don't
Know [ __ ] one of the two the fact that it's a Lon AR is kind of remov for the doubt there buddy yeah images as unfortunately talking about this is always like a double-edged sword because I can't
Show to defend myself nor would I encourage you to go look it up because this is a Lon artist so I don't and you have that really yeah good idea to direct you to that you know but one of them
One of the two images from this L artist okay to be clear why not why wouldn't you want to direct people towards it what's wrong with it then one of them flatly did not look like Lon I'm sorry
You can say it's defensive I think that's [ __ ] I literally bro I don't believe you they're lolon artist that's it the fact that there was even any room for air means you're [ __ ] lying he went back and looked the chick is like six heads tall she literally like like apparently the
Reason why people have said that see just says I don't think he was talking about himself in those clips he was saying from his moral perspective right and then when he was interviewed they said
Do you think it's wrong he said no I don't think it's wrong not that fos himself would consume CP but that he doesn't think it's wrong for somebody else to consume CP that's what he said right same [ __ ] thing it's an opportunity to protect a kid or even protect the person who's consuming
It and maybe I grew up too Catholic for this but in Catholicism We Believe like self harm is bad like guys self harm is not good it's often done out of unhealthy things we self harm in different
Ways it's a spectrum right um so obviously like we self harm um in many ways like I work out I have fibro when I don't work out I'm self Haring in some aspect or there's a version of self Haring
That's actually more like actually destructive like cutting yourself but all of it is coming from a place so you know I'm open to the Nuance of like what is self harm But ultimately like you know one one you want to mitigate as quickly as possible Right you want to like hey I recommend
Not cutting yourself you know you want to try to harm reduce so again with Vos it feels like his moral compass isn't allowing him to say out loud like you can be anti- someone consuming CP
Bro and still be anti-blood diamonds you can do both but like you know what I mean like so when I say like Catholics think like the self harm is also the bad like you're hurting yourself why do
You want to watch a kid get graped and if you're saying it's not wrong for a person to watch a child get graped because blood diamonds you're not even considering the Consciousness that's consuming the material and I think that's weird so I don't know if I'm being too Catholic in that
Way like I was raised as a Catholic and I know I'm an atheist now to say like you don't even want to consume it don't have the imagery in your head it's not good for you and then you sit there
And you consume it anyways and I'm like what are you doing and then you say it's not bad to consume it like I'm very confused on this like moral stance like it's your decision to have this as
Your morals absolutely but it's also my decision to say I think you might be a danger to children or you might not do what it's necessary to like protect a kid if given the opportunity you know you know Raheem I'm not arguing what's normal I'm arguing what's healthy so like your question
Doesn't make any sense you said is watching a cartel video that shows them dep decapitated decapitate a woman can you consume that and still be normal I'm not arguing for normaly I'm arguing for healthy no I think consuming like violent porn like you know what's that called guy gruesome porn
Or whatever it don't don't consume it it's not good for you I have consumed the headings I've consumed a lot of things I've told you this and it was like I want to be tough and I want
To see the violence and I want to be ready in case I'm ever kidnapped but like it's horrible and you shouldn't do it but like if you're going to do it like on a spectrum I think it is less
Harmful to consume the murder of someone than it is the graping of a child I think the graping of a child is like Beyond it is the worst of all worst this is my bias this is my like this this
Is my morals I think consuming the graping of a child is by far the worst thing to consume on this planet it is never there's nothing that is worse than that okay watching a baby die in war
Is less bad than watching a child be cped or watching CP sorry watching a child being Eng graped because again we watch I've seen kids dead dead in Palestine you've seen Israelis dead you can watch videos on the internet of War it's horrible it is much more tolerable to consume
Violence than CP so again if you're watching the graping of a child okay it is worse than watching war or people being kidnapped by the cartels or whatever else so again that's my Spectrum maybe it's not yours you guys okay some of you seem to have the same standard look I'm not projecting
That on to you you do you I'm not saying you have to have that value system fos obviously doesn't but yes harm reduction and on a spectrum yeah no weird ass thing is that how people describe not
Normal people no one I know AG six heads tall it's [ __ ] crazy adult heads or child head so how old are you now I'm six heads tall so he's basically saying oh yeah it was Lolly porn but
She did look pretty old for being Lolly [ __ ] insane your baby you downloaded Lolly porn and by the way once again you had two images from this artist in the peek peek peek peek tip of Mount
Everest that is your 5-year-old porn collection going back to 2019 right to be sorted bro has his pedal jacket Tay fed dude that's what's up he's got his like name and embroidered and [ __ ] but this is the best part everybody listen this is important it's a drawing of a um vtuber uh and
The vtuber is usually drawn as a LLY but in that case that's blaming me for a drawing that's not the drawing that was in there bro if you [ __ ] knew the vtuber and they're usually drawn as a
LLY what are you doing brother talking about a lot of YouTubers do look Lolly though I wonder why they do that I've always wondered that why do they try to look younger than they are you
Lying dice return I hav that one a minute so I don't I just I I completely reject that line of logic it just looked like a normal drawing um definitely not hope it's all okay or none
Of is okay what does that mean what are you talking about I I don't even know what you mean when you say that where's the goblin part right I like this is EXA so this is one of the reasons why stuff like this is impossible to clarify because even talking
About it comes across as like crazy defensive or whatever right what what else am I supposed to do stop doing it stop downloading L let people like Ethan K you guys think I could understand vosch I feel like I'm trying to be so [ __ ] nuanced here but I'm also like I
Really think CP is the worst thing ever ever ever ever ever ever I really think it's the most awful gruesome thing ever so do you think like I could understand him like I bet I could understand him better without the camera as if I'm being honest cuz I think he'd be
More honest with me I think the camera makes it dishonest I wonder if I could understand him I don't know I don't know if I I don't know if he'd be honest with me he doesn't feel very honest
I think if you talk to him you guys can understand each other maybe he feels I don't know if it like I feel like I get him but I'm not sure I'm not sure I and say that was like a folder full ofon
Or just explain it you know anyway I explained it better than you have one of the two images uh justly didn't look like LLY I don't give a [ __ ] like C I just don't care like disingenuous [ __ ]
You know is like a threeome with no Mr girl and her are not the same person baddy says no you couldn't or would want to to understand Mr girl Mr girl and him aren't even on the same page though
Mr girl and him are totally different bubbles I feel like I understand vos's Poss because I was in the BDM and King community and like I'm not sure I think like they're different the only dilemma is whether or not he's actually willing to admit he could be wrong or if his
Ego is too big or if he's too narcissistic you know what I mean I think that's the only dilemma yeah he does seem manipulative yeah I agree am me that's the problem is like I don't
Trust him so I'm not sure that he would ever come to me in good faith either I don't know okay you guys keep Raheem you're G to get muted bro you keep saying he explained his stances we watched him explain his stances The Dilemma is that he is not separating the difference
Between blood diamonds and he doesn't separate the harm he has no context for it he's trying so hard to be consistent that that it's it doesn't make sense morals aren't consistent that's not how morals work that's a fantasy it's a fantasy right you can have a harm
Reduction philosophy I'm saying his stance is wrong only wrong in the sense that like it doesn't make sense in how humans actually work as people unless he's making an excuse for CP Discord thinks Vos would think that uh EG children dying in mind's collect Rare Earth
Is worse than CP but he is completely bad faith but he is also complet maybe yeah maybe you know who checks and a guy and in retrospect looking at knowing now that that artist is a lollycon yeah I
Can see it like here's the thing here's the thing oh come on if it's like even that close to being underage then you kind of like if if if you can miss like oh that might be Lolly but I'm not sure
Then it's Lolly and you [ __ ] you're a lollipop only sa it you wanted it forever you didn't want those kids to age you wanted a snapshot of them now someone say yeah that was the three we were're
Not sure if it was a horse but we think it was it was like a giant horse [ __ ] and two egg says would someone not exposed to large swaths of uh d Internet porn ever developed these trpes no
I don't think it's inherent like look I you know maybe I'm an anomaly maybe I'm special and smarter than everybody on the planet but I just feel like a lot of us consume porn young we
Consume all kinds of weird porn and we Adel just [ __ ] fine because we have a really good sense of morals and values and we want to harm reduce so I just don't think it's about that right Super Chat
For from peanut butter popsicles which actually sounds really good thank you so much I appreciate it so much with a diamond emoji Raheem says you only saw the clip that Ethan showed you if you watched the whole video explained it fully because I've seen it myself but you you you may still not
Like his explanations yeah I mean somebody sent me the direct link and we watched some of it um not from Ethan but from vosch and so maybe I should have watched more of it and maybe we will um not
Tonight I'm too tired obviously but M I don't know I didn't even like his reaction though you know I just feel like I feel like you're giving him too many chances you know he won't even say
Any of the thing he had was loli but I saw some of it it was obviously loli like don't be ashamed if you're into loli don't be ashamed you follow a lolly artist like how do you follow a lolly
Artist and then he's like none of the leaks were loli I'm like I what are we doing I feel like I'm being [ __ ] gaslit what what are we talking about girls either own the loli or like don't own
The Loli like he's not he's what he doesn't think it's unethical to consume CP so what does he care if he has LLY that's not the one I don't know but I don't think it was a horse one that wasal sorry
Immoral what did I misunderstand him did he say that that Gordon Ramsey one was in that yeah okay I'm not saying that I don't maybe said he was downloading going to download I don't know he's just filibustering everything looks like Lolly [ __ ] two of them are confirmed this is like this
Explicitly that he thinks one of them doesn't look like he disagrees I disagree with that the other one like oh yeah those are definitely yeah I mean guys what are we arguing about here capitalism did it it wasn't me Society May [ __ ] capitalism did it it wasn't me maybe that's right though
Maybe that's true I don't know you still want to [ __ ] kids so let's do something about that Discord says I mean his position is that if you denounce participation in one form of unethical conception while consuming another then you are being hpal and stupid he's wrong though but the H3
Squad explains why that's dumb then I why that's done better than I would no I know I know vos's stance I I think that F that he has that stance I think he's wrong for The Stance I know what the
Stance is I understand I think he's wrong I think the stance is absolutely harm going to cause more harm than good I don't think he actually cares about harm reduction I think he cares about sounding right which is going to increase harm so I agree I think that his stance is consistent I
Think that is causing more harm than harm reducing and it is better to harm reduce in a world that like is harmful so that's why I'm saying this is about his ego this isn't actually about helping anybody he doesn't care about helping anybody with that like way of thinking he's not helping
Anybody he's just making himself feel good because like o I'm consistent that's easier to change than Society true let's see what I meanly now that with two chicks and a guy and in retrospect looking at
Knowing now that that artist is a Lyon yeah I can see it when I looked at it I think the vibe that I got was like short stack thick kind of thing you know what I mean uh like the way like goblins get
Drawn in porn oh my God so he says okay well yeah so this one this one definitely looks like LLY however in my defense I thought it was a goblin uh I thought I was looking at a goblin
Porn you'll have to entertain me for a moment on this presumed shared knowledge of how goblins get drawn in pornography but you know how they're all like thick short stacks right got because in the
Image the girl that shown has super thick legs and has like tits and a belly so that's just the vibe I got now knowing that the artist is a lollip which I have been roundly reminded of obviously
Knowing that it was intended to be a lolly drawing so like that's how it is it's a drawing you get it without context I know I don't context context is in the damn picture it's a child [ __ ] man
Who cares who painted it what the [ __ ] it was that's what I'm saying is he gaslighting us bro is he autistic like what is happening yeah like he's being incredibly either bad faith or he's the dumbest person who's ever existed on the internet professional that [ __ ] was no Goblin too no that
Was no Goblin in there no we're Goblin expert he's the only Goblin I but he said he didn't say it was a goblin he said it's like you know how to your as he would put a platonic ideal of a goblin yeah
The thing with goblins in what's up with goblins bro in like the games and [ __ ] like that they're shorts they short but when they're not green they are just shorts what shortss who else is short
Kids are kids green no no okay I think when I save them I both the drawings have like a mey dick in it I'm a huge size queen so like Le about him today you look at it in retrospect and it's like
Okay well now with a broader context I understand how it comes off CJ says what do you think about Ethan's crew laughing and mocking vosch I mean they're comedians that's usually what they do
Do I'm not uh I'm not opposed to it I think it's fine I mean my Discord is making fun of him but like it's fine um though they're making fun of him and giving amazing clarifying points you guys
Are doing great Discord you're very entertaining to read um I'm not totally opposed to it I guess I think they just feel like they won now the question is what do we do now you know that
Way um even if initially or like so let me get this you should have just started with that and apologize and not call people liar why the [ __ ] is he calling me a liar and going on on about all
This [ __ ] when he just said yeah one of them was so what where the conversation that's what I mean he's like none of them were lollycon one of them was lollycon I feel like he keeps switching his
Story which makes him the liar from here you said I'm right you said you look at Lolly why are you saying mean things about me stop saying call me a sake stop it stop it stop calling me worm stop
It the would be more fic what you'll notice has anything that I've just said sounded like it would even remotely convince the kind of people who are intent on smearing convince me that you're not
Looking at Lolly when you say it's Lolly why am I have to say Lolly so goddamn much I actually want a lollipop now do we have any no damn they had some horse ones at the store bro what the [ __ ]
Are you doing what are you talking about man what you just you just showed up to the Chris Hansen kitchen and sat had a seat man he's like why are you judging me to Chris Hansen me over this
No and frankly the effort to defend it from my perspective comes across as exactly what you would expect all right so that was fun I'm just glass do this here he says don't do this to me during
An election season that's true I guess I should care more about you the main thing I'm concerned with is frankly there's just a lot of people in Ethan's audience who I think have the wrong idea
About me and I think that some of them might be over you know not all the well been pretty poison some of them and I think it's important to do that not only because you could have main line
Right them man you know from an obvious career perspective no no denying that but also because it's an election year you know all hands on deck it is we don't want your hands on deck it is bad
You know this is not the time that I want to be doing this kind of petty drama circular firing squad [ __ ] dude you are such a [ __ ] loser the elections all riding on you yeah we don't
All counting on you B needs you Tak vote for bid needs you here he says I'm attacking him because I hate trans people interesting that's what ke was trying to say there's probably a large overlap EOP
Plasmic I like the part where he said this is a pedophile Community um yeah did did he uh did he say that with regards to there being a lot of transgenders here is that what no youit not first
Of all bro yeah like what is that is that a joke like that's just a joke right he's like making a joke he do can't mean that you know what I mean you may not know a lot about me but unlike you
I'm actually for the trans we have tons of trans audience and we love them we do Pride minutes one minute exactly and then get out but we got a lot of trans people in our audience man special to
Be clear the problem was the LOL uh well I it was the people that like law right that's why we call them pedophil not you have a lot of trans people in your audience that's not an issue it's the law
The Assumption in itself is extremely transforming know that right I've been seeing a lot of messages and you you know what you may call you bad faith I've lost faith I have no faith I've seriously
Lost faith in God from this whole thing yeah it's not great that was fantastic another then here he says it's because he hates Israel this dude is grasping at the most insane STW what if it's
Because you're Pro Palestine no no no it's nothing like that oh wait no are you guys accusing me in the Discord of being more triggered by CP than by like slavery and items yeah I think sexual
Violence is worse than violence it's two whammies I made my argument and it's a good [ __ ] argument are you making are Discord are you bullying me I literally made a better argument than everybody being offended at blood diamonds is one offense being violence being offended at sexual violence
Is two counts of violence that's why it's more egregious it's double harm I am the superior debate bro move over my dick is 12 Ines I hello sexual violence is worse than physical violence because it's double the offense that's why it's worse losing two arms instead of one arm is worse
It's double the violence so obviously it'd be worse to rape a child then force that child to carry rocks back and forth for your mining coals whatever because obviously I'm pretty sure anyone within reason would choose violence over sexual violence cuz it's double the Amy but if you're
Going to choose sexual violence over regular violence I don't know why you would do that cuz it's double the whammy it's double the harm that's why my that's why people don't like CP bro it's double the harm that's why people don't like sexual violence it's double harm not because
People like like slavery better it's just just double harm that's the argument discourse says so if it's double the violence graping the child would be two child slaves what so if it's double the violence graping the child would be two child slaves what are you trying to say Discord I'm G
[ __ ] what are you trying to say we're just saying one to one one to one would I rather my child be used as a maiden at home or as a grape slave obviously as a made in the home it's less
Violence oh my God I'm a debate Bro Look At Me Go guys like some people hate slavery more than CP that's fine I don't because I think it is it's all about harm reduction harm reduction
My Philosophy is harm reduction so it is harm reduction to have it done that way so your mom hold on that's part one that's part one then 1.5 hours later he's changed heang said you were one of H's people okay this it better not be some weird spite thing because I'm like anti-israel
I don't know like that's weird like where is that coming from yeah he's not he's just more confused about what the chat are saying um hante Israel and like him and Ethan are friends so well again he's
He's responding all this like third hand through like his chat or whatever so like I guess we'd have to go back and look at what you said chatter was even right but lumped him in with streamers
Like political streamers there's more I mean what the [ __ ] man there's like a lot more well it is well after five and I know you guys have there's the one of him sexually harassing poppy who is a
Member all right Discord we're doing a poll we're doing a poll what's worse slavery or sexual abuse what's worse slavery with no sexual abuse because obviously the insinuation that slavery would come with sexual abuse so that's also just as bad but obviously we're talking about slavery with
No sexual abuse what's worse sexual abuse and slavery or just slavery because sexual abuse is slavery plus sexual abuse so obviously the sexual abuse add an extra element right that's what the argument I'm making to be clear the argument is like do you want slavery or slavery and
Sex abuse which one guys that is the argument I'm making just the slavery would be better than sex slavery and sex abuse okay that is my argument cuz the sex abuse would be consistent it Raheem says slavery is a lot worse how is it a lot worse Raheem you're trolling cuz you'd be
Having both it's not like one time guys it's not like you only get graped once if you have sexual abuse it's going to be continuous so what you want slavery okay slavery and sexual abuse guys in my argument they're both going to happen more than once say say slavery implies continuous abuse so
Does the CP guys I'm I'm talking about continuous they're both continuous what is worse they're both worse that's what I'm the argument I'm making is that both situations are going to consistently happen okay that is what I'm saying that is what I'm saying that was my original argument if you
Heard it wrong hear it again the idea is that do you want violence to occur consistently or both violence and sexual abuse okay cuz like hello so again um harm reduction I'd rather have one form of violence than two two that's all I'm saying one form of violence versus two that's all I'm
Saying one form of violence versus two forms of violence they do not come without the other I'd rather die than deal with either I mean honestly I got that no option equally bad no no no I'm here
Making a stance you know of um I think it was Destiny's Discord where she where he was like really aggressively um uh sexting her up in chat and uh like I said Des had to ban him the whole conversation is on the Internet it's really crazy there's also bonus anti-Semitism mes like here
These were fast these are fast these are fast they fast here this from Discord forkin or like juice T that's fine I don't care will you get me in good with the juice order if I send dicks
I mean okay he's being silly um I'm actually in Hollywood right now so if anyone wants to take down the Jewish media Elite let me know okay and then here this person says Jews aren't humans
They're reptiles this is his Discord and then he posts a picture of his lizard my Jewish buddy he says now listen I'm not sensitive to this stuff I really don't care but it's someone who represents
The tolerant left he's Irish dude who's 0% Jewish do you really you really think that you're in the right in a good position to be doing these kind of jokes you know there's more Jews control oh
This one's really wild yeah so [ __ ] nuts this guy's got this guy got inash really good there's I don't know who this guy is but their ideology was not aligned with reality how how can you tell because Jews don't actually control banks in the world there was a disproportionate number
Of Jewish control of banks in Germany during the B Republic all right we're done here thank you goodbye yeah I mean I don't know if that's true or not but like again just Su just a little sprinkle
Of powder but first of all they don't they didn't control you know the Nazis were not correct about the Jewish people I don't know if he was arguing like Well he kind of was think touch like getting
His toes w a little bit there well you know um oh yeah and the reason he got banned for twitch is saying that we should nuke Israel whatever also there's one more for the road more weird
Animal [ __ ] it's not just horses he wants to [ __ ] it's lizards and one of my geckos will run down and jump on my dick like they're giving me a full body hand job yeah consent is irrelevant
For animals even pets get no say in being locked up taken away fixed or euthanized I don't think B should be a crime I put he's doing that thing again okay so I'm just I'm done this is what I'm
Going to set up so vos's moral compass is fine but it's wrong in my opinion based off my morals see how we go morals V morals [ __ ] so he says like we violate like you know consent all the
Time therefore no consent matters and I think that's dumb I don't think it's All or Nothing life is about harm reduction thinking it's All or Nothing is a mistake in thinking and you've logically like debated your bro into the dumbest position okay the point should be harm reduction
In my opinion this is my argument I am making so yes we neuter and spay our animals to cause to influence like harm reduction so they don't not they they are not creating more pets that
Won't have homes or be fed you break your child's consent by sending them to bed on time and making them eat vegetables because in the long run it's better for them obviously we don't want to violate people's consent unless within reason it actually is better for them and causes harm reduction so
Obviously when we talk about harm reduction we're talking about understanding when in context things make sense because life is imperfect okay Free Speech isn't absolute you absolutely do not live in a free world you absolutely are slave to society and you have to learn that there is
A reason we do that and often it's because of harm reduction for you and your Offspring and whether or not you like your Society well you know that's up to you but there are plenty to
Join you can [ __ ] move or you can advocate for yourself and change it but in vos's world like what's the solution right so God bless him his consistency has literally made him just the most untrustworthy person in the world I wouldn't trust him around pets or humans or animals or anything
Because like I don't know what his stances are he says he's morally consistent he is morally redundant like that's where we're at okay we all know what redundant means in this community it don't mean redundant but you know okay that's just where we're at so okay again I'm about harm
Reduction that's Britney's personal philosophy you don't have to agree with it I just think it's it's the best most realistic one because we are just evolved animals on a planet we're just like these little like biology bubbles like or I shouldn't use that biology creatures like
Evolving over time and creating constructs and figuring things out and we're trying to do the best and I think harm reduction is best what is the least amount of harm within reason within reason real falling bed my belly's being fed I'm okay I'm just fine
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Watching Brittney struggle to stay good faith through out was hard core relatable for me, I went through the same thinking when I saw H3 the first time. We have a similar bubble lol.
Can you recommend some books you like?
Hasan is not a debate bro
1:07:55 imagine selling your kids to feed your kids, that’s nuts
Vaush when he was known as IrishLaddie had a whole issue with inappropriate dms with a young fan. Destiny was involved in some way
I think the cp should be legal argument takes the same argument as drug abuse.
I went to a small liberal arts college in the early 2000's… there were so many guys like Vaush, they were so annoying. The type of guys that think they are smarter than everyone, go on long winded rants in condescending tones, talking down to everyone around them like we are all stupid for doing "normie" things. I was (still am) into philosophy and had read many books in this world in HS and would attempt to engage in convos sometimes. It was always a waste of time. Once they realize you actually know what you are talking about they do what Vaush did and just start acting like you are not on the same plane as them so you just don't get it. Lame. Most of those guys are still sitting in their parents basement complaining that no one wants to buy their creepy bad art. While us normies who "shilled" ourselves to corporations actually get to sustain a career in our industry of choice. (it took me forever to get through this vid lol, but I love your takes Brittany so I knew I had to watch the whole thing)
03:08 "human love bestiality" isn't a sentence I expected when I came here lmao
Loli, as i understand it, is short for Lolita. Its a novel of a deeply disturbing adult-child relationship. Loli is a shorthanding of a book about child abuse. Lolicon is Lolita Complex, as in an obsession with Lolitas
It seems to me loli was abuse coded from the start.
Im so confused about why we are even debating if child-like innapropriate drawings of anime characters named after fucking LOLITA. It seems so completely obvious to me that this is just drawn CP
Drawn CP vs loli porn is a strictly semantic debate. Its the anime analogue of people, so its the anime analogue of children. Engaging in porn. The core of this does not change, no matter your semantic opinion or how you define it.
You are arguing how big two doors should be, bit both the damn doors lead to CP!
You should look into boogies relationship with the 20 year old, I’m worried about her, I feel like she’s gonna waste her 20s on him and she’s gonna wake up one day and realize she wasted her best years on a filthy man child. It’s obvious that boogie knows this and he just doesn’t care
Full context can come up and be important. Bit you would think if someone had a helpful clip that provides greater context to something, someone would bring it up? Where is it? H3 provided the context avaliable, and no one has provided more thats notbjust iterations of the same words
As someone who works with evidence in prosecution cases and who’s mother does the physical exams at a child advocacy center (so anytime there’s physical or smexual abuse towards a child she does the physicals and/or rape kits) I can say with certainty there is an escalation in porn that predators watch and someone who consistently consumes loli specifically is likely to move onto real cp. I understand that there is nuance with people reliving their trauma or seeking out that feeling of vulnerability, but I really do believe that the perpetuation of Loli is harmful to children because it adds to the escalation of child predators. I’m not going to say this is %100 but I’ve seen enough predators who have a consistent pattern of escalation of what they watch that leads to harming a child. I also think that vausche using cp in his morality argument is disgusting because it gives space for those who have predatory inclinations to justify their actions or ideations. Admittedly I’ve only seen the clips of him H3 plays but he seems to make his arguments based solely on extremes and unrealistic assumptions and like ? It seems like there are way better ways to make those exact arguments in my opinion. There HAS to be a better example than CP. heck even using murder would be better. I’m surprised he didn’t stay on horse brand and use beastiality tbh
3:41:51 I am so happy I decided to watch your stream of this because when I was watching h3h3 I felt like I was losing my mind. Like am I the only one who remembers 2008-2015 when people would post countdown timers until underage actresses turned 18 on social media and barely anyone blinked an eye? If they’re counting down until someone is legal, that means they are already attracted to them while they are underage. I feel like every girl I know who is my age has stories of adult men starting to comment on how hot they were as soon as they hit puberty. I am not saying it is good, nor do I want to seem like I am defending Vaush because I still think he’s probably a sex pest. I do think he was unfortunately right about society hypersexualizing high school girls and that that has warped a lot of men and I’m really surprised none of them were aware of that.
He’s my dog, ma, I’ll do it. Thanks for the stream!
You spelled 'Misrepresented'. Vaush never advocated for the things which was framed. He's addressed everything in a video called 'Addressing the accusations'.
Of course this girl defending CP 😂
I understand that there is, even just philosophically, a difference between cp and loli/shota, and that there is an… equivalence… in the consumption of it and other things obtained with slave labor, for example, it's just so WILD to me that rather than condemning both and trying your best to make sure you do not engage or consume them, the route Vaush took is to say that people, or society as a whole, should have carte blanche access to one if they have carte blanche access to the other. Like, why would that be anyone's position????? Just to sound smarter?? How does he even think that works in his head???
Age range for loli within anime spaces usually means under 13, but to normal people they consider any underage hentai loli which is understandable. Most of the lolis I ran into on internet hell (twitter) were into characters who were 3-9 years old……..and they posted hentai of those characters, often non con and incest.
It was really hard watching you go from, “I never really liked Vaush” to saying he’s a terrible person and should just go off and die. EVERY clip they show is taken out of context, and it really does feel like they're willfully misunderstanding him. I completely get that you don’t vibe with his personality, but just about every opinion you gave during the stream is actually closer to Vaush than to Ethan.
The reason his community is so upset about this is because he has NEVER defended any sort of child abuse. Pretty much all of his content is about harm reduction, consent, mental health, and creating a society free from coercion or exploitation where people can thrive. Most of the clips are old, and he's gone over them many times and admitted they were framed poorly, but for the most part his views haven't changed much. Again: he is vehemently against both cp and loli.
At the end of your stream you insisted that you got the argument, and it's frustrating because you were still putting it in Ethan's framing. He was never trying to justify cp, or even make a moral equivalency between it and child slave labor. He was trying to argue that people should be more outraged at how normalized child slave labor is and made an analogy to cp BECAUSE THE LATTER IS OBVIOUSLY TERRIBLE. He's said many times that it wasn't a great argument, but he still believes that there is something wrong with our society when we nonchalantly purchase goods produced through child slave labor with the attitude of "out of sight, out of mind", and he ALWAYS believed that cp is vile – both in its production and consumption.
I’ve been watching a lot of the coverage on this, and you have one of the best responses I’ve seen. You’re the first person I’ve seen who’s looked at the pictures and said flat-out that there’s only one lol* image in the leaked folder, which is what I’ve been saying since it happened (but not how it's being characterized). I also appreciate you taking issue with Ethan insisting on using “drawn CP” instead of “lol*”, since they are very clearly different, and have very different connotations/implications.
All that said, I don’t buy his defense about the one image being a mistake. He would recognize the style the same way you immediately did, so that's definitely problematic, but as you said at the beginning, they do all have a similar energy, which is basically how he described it. I watch both of them, but I still take Vaush’s side in all this. Ethan felt extremely malicious and willfully unintellectual about everything, and every time he claims he “watched the full video” he turned it off right when Vaush was just starting to say anything putting the clips in context. If there had only been the first stream that would be one thing. But he spent two days calling everyone who tried to defend Vaush (NOT cp) a pedophile, and then doubled down without ever bothering to watch a single one of the debates in it's entirety. It all just felt very intentional. He also scoffed at the idea that he was kink shaming in the first stream, and then showed up in a horse outfit in the second stream – when the issue was supposed to be cp.
You'll probably never read this, but please have an open mind about Vaush. You don't have to like him or his content, but he has a strong moral compass and exists in a "bubble" very adjacent to your own. Maybe even try watching one of his more recent debates or discussions on gender or identity politics. It may surprise you.
Nah drawn cp and loli are the same, thinking there's a difference is the epitome of the soyjack "thing vs asian thing" meme
Hasan is objectively attractive, but his personality is what gives some ick
I will drop some bombshells about vaush, he has been caught being paid by the government so he is a fed. Vaush has also been caught multiple times grooming minors on discord.
that being said everyone is cooked with there takes about loli. Loli is not a child its a petite woman, loli is not CP, being attracted to a 17 year old is not pedophilia. a child is prepubesent not 17 (which in my country consent is 17 not 18). and loli is not illegal. I think americans are so used to seeing fat woman that they think skinny woman are children.
I think Vaush's ego will forever hinder him from realising he may need to examine himself. He needs to grow up.
1. You dont need hours of context for the Argument "cp should be legal because capitalism bad". It is just a crazy take.
2. I disagree that ethan doesnt do Research for debates. All the debates he did worked so well because he researched and knew All the takes that would come up so he could easily debunk them. The Crew even did live- factchecking during those debates. Vaush going on h3 would be career suicide.
3. Vaush didnt talk about child marriage but about sexual relationships with Kids that could be benefitial, wich is no take you should ever have.
4. I think loli-corn is a Slippery slope into cp because it normalises childly figures in sexual context.
And extreme attractions like like that usually ramp up if you dont check yourself
5. If you want to die on loli hill, you are a weirdo, Period.
Why the f do we need nuance about sexual imagery involving childly figures?
There is no context or lore to make that stuff ok.
Just dont die on loli hill.
President Sunday, who was initially trying to be very charitable to Vaush while figuring out the whole situation, ended up posting a video called "I'm Done" where he very succinctly put it – Vaush didn't and has not addressed these issues, and has trained his most dedicated fans to rush to his defense constantly because he's always getting in crap, but he's always deflecting and condescending. Vaush refuses to be wrong. He's always talking down to his audience and the general public at large. He thinks he's the smartest person in every room so you can't tell him anything.
“Why is vaush so serious about it, you just have to have fun with it!” Brittany must have a mental disability if she doesn’t see why vaush is being serious about his interactions with H3. Are you simps telling her this stuff or???
"Old yeller yourself" is such a funny quote😂😂😂
Closely followed by tacoma wept of course😅
Why are you assuming he’s autistic tho
I love how Vaush is trying to reset and deflect from criticism/disgust at his actions by trying to spur debate about how these characters are drawn or "the ethics of CP vs loli and harm"
He got caught looking at cartoon depictions of sexualized images of children. He does not get to spin the narrative and framing of this to something more convenient to protect his image.
I think the biggest problem is vauche is that he CONSISTENTLY uses CP or CSA or child marriages as examples in his debates and examples and hypotheticals and refused to get new descriptor. Like he could have used something else for these hypotheticals that is just as much of an extreme instead of stuff with kids and so once that folder was leaked it really sealed his fate. If he used like murder or even beastiality instead of cp this would just be a funny haha look at the horse stuff in his folder but no he keeps using csa and cp and now there’s lolli in there and it’s too many red flags all together. If he had just changed up his arguments he would probably be fine or able to say “hey I didn’t realize that was lolli my bad let’s laugh at the horse pics” and move on and everyone would’ve had a good laugh and moved on. I think he’s such a creep and a loser. And annoying as hell.
looking at the copy of minotaur corn i have in my room…..
Vaush being against lying in debates is hilariously ironic and hypocritical. He explicitly advocates lying about your interlocutor for optics. But when HE'S the target, thats when it crosses the line. And hes afraid of it bc 1, hes guilty, and 2, he knows thats what HE would do.
You called me "so, so dumb" nine times in a row. Cheers 🙂
First time watching your content and I find your views very interesting! Like Ethan I very much live in a bubble regarding this content and you made me realise that. I still think Vaush is very much in the wrong and his response is almost worse. I unsubscribed from Vaush because he normally reacts to drama head on, but backs down this time. Very telling. It's a shame because I like a lot of his content, but I do find him annoying at times – and this whole drama made me realise he has a huge ego.
Reminder: Pedo Vile Vaush has advocated for violence and for the mass killing of people who he doesn't agree with politically. He has spent his entire career smearing, dehumanizing, fearmongering, and taking others out of context. He called PewDiePie, Count Dankula, Pippa, and Asmongold slanderous defamations like "Nazis" and "Fascists". He literally has been very transphobic and sexist in the past and has never apologized for it.
im sorry but the fact that he compares literally CP to everyday consumer goods is so disgusting to me. its gross. Children are not products. CP is not a product. this should not be an argument or a debate. CP is BAD. the fact that this man even gives the time to ponder about if cp is bad or not should be a red flag. this isnt a good person. in what world do you compare the distribution of children being taken advantage of to an object? to a chocolate bar? these are CHILDREN not objects.
From the way i personally view how he is acting, he communicates with his audience and the people around him in a manipulative, gaslighting, and as a stretch, a predatory way. He tricks his audience into believing that if anyone is against him they're actually talking about his audience, that anyone who points out his wrong doings is actually targetting and attacking his audience. He twists people's words in a way to make them seem like they have a darker more malicious reason for outing his wrong doings, and then speaks about the allegations in a way that makes them sound normal and less serious. he is genuinely acting like Ethan being a "backstabbing bad friend & is elluding that his audience is full of predators bc they're trans" is somehow WORSE than him condoning and owning literal drawn images of cp.
It does not matter if it is drawn or not. Someone had to imagine a literally child, maybe even find refrence photos of actual children either in real like of in cartoon media/anime, and draw them being taken advantage of. they fantasized about a literal child being taken advantage of so much so that they took the time to not only make the art, but post it, distribute it, and make money off of it.
This is not a good person, and someone who is so OK with cp and the consuption of cp is a dangerous person. it doesnt matter if its animated, it doesnt matter if its drawn, it simply does not matter.
I don’t think there should be a distinction made between CP and Loli. It’s the same concept, and the same end goal. Skirting around it and pretending it’s an acceptable kink is disgusting.
4:51:07 NO bro, we don’t like that you said buying a computer is on the same level as buying cp…. He’s so fn delusional and got too comfortable thinking others had these thoughts. We don’t and are grossed out.
2:16:55 – I used to run a D&D campaign and I made it pay to play for this exact reason. The most minimal buy in will totally change the type of people who are applying to your game and ensures that they're taking it with a certain baseline of respect for you and the time you're putting in to make it a good experience for everyone involved. It's very common for you to get flakey players that will drop your game at a moment's notice, or jerk players that don't have good table etiquette and doesn't treat the DM or other players with respect or courtesy, or people who want to turn your innocent PG-13 game into a way for them to live out their sex fantasies with a group of participants who didn't ask to be involved in their kink. Having legit a $1 a game buy in, or even something like $5 up front to join the game or something cuts down on these sorts of players by an astronomical amount.
I fully buy the same thing would work for discord, lol. People need some buy in to behave themselves sometimes.
Mr hands wannabe lolli fan, not a good hill to die on, Mr hands would know.
The US Government has federal laws against the large possession of Lolicon and any distribution of it. So if Vaush emailed or messaged any Loli picture to anyone, he’s violating federal law. Or if he had many more Loli images in those computer folders, he’s violating federal law. Some states have additional laws against the possession of Lolicon, but it doesn’t look like his home state of Washington is one of them. However, if he ever had Lolicon on a computer while visiting another state with laws against the possession of Lolicon, he’d be violating state laws as well.
When it comes to anime all that stuff i dont care if this person is 1000 years old if you are drawn and act like a kid you are a kid i think thats a pedos wet dream oh they just look and act like that but they are inchanted or something and thet are actually 1000 like 7 deadly sins meliodis sorry im dyslexic asf but he looks about 10 years old and grabs womens breasts and they laugh to me thats creepy big reason i dont watch that show
I think Vaush knows Ethan is right about him and that’s why he changed his mind about going on H3 and then rescinded his invite for Ethan to go on his livestream. There are so many red flags, you can’t just turn a blind eye to them. All he’s doing is gaslighting and manipulating his audience just like every other time he’s been called out for what he’s said about CP for years now. I don’t think his opinion has ever changed about CP like he claims. I think he’s only saying that because people outside of his audience started calling him out for it and he wasn’t able to manipulate those people. I won’t be surprised if anything else comes out about him. I hope people keep their kids far away from him. There’s only one type of person that defends CP. Whether he would do it himself or knowingly allow someone else to do it, kids aren’t safe around him.
THANK YOU for your point about 18-22 year olds. I have so many female friends that have sexual relationships with 35- 45 year old men and they always accuse me of being close minded. Nah man, those men are predatory and want to have a dynamic in their relationship that is largely based on your inexperience (compared to his).
Its cp bro. Loli doesn't matter. Its looking at fucking kids.
The best thing you can say about vaush:
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everyone: make a 4 hour video about him…
This is 100% random, but Brittany should release merch with a drawing of her done in the style of sailor moon dressed up as one of the Sailor Guardians. Honestly, I'd love a merch line from Brittany that included drawings of her in all sorts of anime styles, like drawn as a DBZ character, a One Piece character, a Death Note character, etc. etc. It would be super cute! Seeing the Sailor Moon shirt she's wearing in this made me think of it 😛